Lets CULL EVerthing !

Yep Willem
that was Dennis Leary.... what a visionary he is LOL.
Thanks for reminding me of that song Cows with Guns HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHA

Think you'll find it was Dana Lyons...

www.cowswithguns.com/homepage.html

Willem,
I disagree with the fire being distructive bit. Most of the native flora requires fire or heat to ensure the new seeds can open and therefore produce new growth. Keep in mind the fires back then were small grass fires as there was no build up of undergrowth. These days due to the build up of undergrowth the fires are much more intense and therefore destructive.

I really don't think the poor old Aborigine was as destructive to the environment as modern man.

I must add I am definately not a greenie, far from it.

Toytruck

Toytruck,
Problem is they are still lighting them!
Cheers

Thanks for the correction Gav,
i downloaded it as an MP3 in the last 6 months or so and it was flagged as Dennis Leary so i took it as being named correctly.

"I really don't think the poor old Aborigine was as destructive to the environment as modern man"

Probably only due to lack of numbers.

Gramps,
yep you are possibly right but even still, they lived here for many thousands of years and treated the land as if it were their mother, the traditional aborigine's I am talking about. Even they were smart enough to realise that their livelihood depended on the land so had had to look after it or they would perish.

I am still not a Greenie :-) but as I have mentioned on this forum previously....I am an Aborigine. Seriously, I do have a lot of respect for the traditional people and living in todays society, totally understand the arguments that souround the Aborigine people, but I digress, the original thread was about todays society not the past. I do feel Footloose was a bit harsh on distinguishing colour as the governing factor and maybe could have been a little more generic but...that's life.

Toytruck

Toytruck,

"treated the land as if it were their mother" just like all so called 'primitive' races (and I mean no disrespect by that). Then of course, we superadvanced wallies (who just happened to be of a paler complexion) come along and say "Nah, you lot have no idea. We'll show you how to r$%%@t the place well and truly. We've had many years of experience at it" hahahaha

The amount of damage done is governed by the resources at hand to do the damage.

Gramps,
I know this sounds like a cop out but it's just progress. Humans come to realise they make money from trade but to trade we need to sell something. In the past we used to trade spears and tools, now with much bigger economies we need to trade more to earn more money. These days we have come to realise that below the groung there are precious resources that some countries, mainly China, will pay LOTS of money for but to get at it we have to dig the place up. Digging the place up makes a mess but it creates wealth and employment so we dig up some more, and so on, and so on.

We all enjoy the creature comforts, a nice lounge to drink a cold beer on, the wide screen tele to watch. But to get it we all need money so we need jobs........its just one of those cycles that is not going to change. I hate to think what it will be like in another 30 years.

Now I'm feeling all philosophical...I need another beer :-)

Toytruck

Gramps,
I know this sounds like a cop out but it's just progress. Humans come to realise they make money from trade but to trade we need to sell something. In the past we used to trade spears and tools, now with much bigger economies we need to trade more to earn more money. These days we have come to realise that below the groung there are precious resources that some countries, mainly China, will pay LOTS of money for but to get at it we have to dig the place up. Digging the place up makes a mess but it creates wealth and employment so we dig up some more, and so on, and so on.

We all enjoy the creature comforts, a nice lounge to drink a cold beer on, the wide screen tele to watch. But to get it we all need money so we need jobs........its just one of those cycles that is not going to change. I hate to think what it will be like in another 30 years.

Now I'm feeling all philosophical...I need another beer :-)
and I carnt b butherd usin thu spull chicker
Toytruck

PS I owe Footloose an appulugy, the original thred wus frum Warfer 69.

Sorry Footy was thinking of na thread I had jsut read.

Toytruck

"I hate to think what it will be like in another 30 years"

Don't waste time thinking about it Toytruck. We could both possibly still be around to experience it :))))) Come to think of it, I need another beer (or twelve).

Hi fellow posters. My 2c;

Lighting fires to hunt food is not a natural process of mother nature. The aboriginies at the time did not know that their actions would result in a reduction of combustable material but only that this was an effective way to hunt. What about the hundreds of thousands of animals that died needlessly as a result of this hunger? This is no different to modern day man who uses guns, nets etc to get what they want.

Aside - Germination of seeds triggered by fires was in existance way before there were human footprints in the dirt so this cannot be attributed to what we humans have ever been a part of.

We utilise what we have at hand to make our everyday lives easier. It has been the same for centuries. HOWEVER, we are compelled to have an opinion which is part of who we are and that opinion, more often than not, results in something being targeted due to mass support/protest and usually, something, that was an isolated incident/action, turns out to be a crusification (if there is such a word but it seems appropriate - listen up Macquarie) of a species, religion, age, colour etc.

I am not a hippie, greenie or vegetarian, but I believe in not only looking after what nature has to offer but also supporting it. I also take into consideration what our needs are as a population so I beleive (as the saying goes) in a balance.

Our problem is that we have influenced our environment to such a point that we have determined how things evolve. It is proven that evolution takes place due to environmental changes, whether due to over population, decimation, climate change or whatever but we take it upon ourselves to regulate this. We are taking millions of years of natural progression and giving it rules.

Everyone have seen the shows/movies where people go back in time where they try not to do anything that will change the furture like step on a bug. The belief being that if that was the case that we could have 8 legs and eyes like fly's.

What do you thing we are doing to our future by doing some of the things we do?

If the action seems natural or the result was natural then so it should be. If not the leave it be.

Regards
David

Grungle,

Can't see much there to disagree with. Undoubtedly someone else will though :))))

Grungle,
excellent article. I have had tooo many beers to really grasp it again tonight but it looks great:-) I think.

Toytruck :-)

LOL good call :)))))

Sex to wooly bugger ? Where are my gum boots ?

That Toynbee's deep aye bro and so is that young Gramps bloke.

>Mind you the dingoes only come near humans because
>we've been bloody feeding them

EXACTLY!

WOULD PEOPLE _PLEASE_ STOP FEEDING NATIVE ANIMALS!

They don't need it, they are far more capable than you of finding food in the bush and sausage or sliced bread is _not_ a good diet for them. Nor is getting too comfortable with humans - you may not wish to harm them but there are some sick people out there.

There are a few campsites I visit semi-regularly which have enough visitors who feed the animals or leave waste food to have encouraged resident wildlife and this is not good for them.

I dig a kitchen "sump hole" in my sites and ensure all food waste which cannot be burned (washing up water with food scraps - bits of rice from the saucepan etc) as well as soapy hand washing water is poured into the sump. When I leave the sump is filled in.

Mike Harding

Mike,
the Chamberlains started the whole "Feeding the Dongo", thing:-)

Toytruck

What an amusing post... in that case perhaps it's time for the rest of us to stop it - what do you reckon Toytruck?

W E L L !!!! I'm going to tiptoe very carefully around you on Friday :)))))

I was always told it was the Tasmanians that fu#@%$ the thylacines!..........
Na hang on that was kiwis and sheep????

*Humans wiped out ( Culled ?) the thylacine in Tasmania* .

Exactly my point

*You are an inarticulate bag of wind . Perhaps we could cull bags of wind*

Oh your a we person, i see !

Cheers

I agree Hairy, sometimes it's better to cull a group of animals that have over bred than have them die a painfull death from lack of feed or water. Many people jump up & down with the slaughter of kangaroo's for example but how sad it was to see thousands of rotting carcass's out in the Sturt National Park during a draught.
As for animals that attack, any that history has shown have an increased chance of attacking human's again should certainly be assessed for being removed or put down.
Cheers Craig...........

>american way of life

Talk about bigotry...?

i am very anti the americanisation of australia, they have buggered their country and half the world with their holier than thou attitude, we will not be the 51st, or however many there is, state. constantly maintaining the moral highground while giving it to everybody in the arse. bigoted? you bet

>bigoted? you bet

Is it just the white Yanks you're bigoted against or don't you like the black ones too?

Mike Harding

dont go bringing colour into it, was never mentioned before.

probably be the 53rd state after they get Israel and Puerto Rico. :)

I think they have gone off Iraq for some reason.