Hanging spare on bull bar

Submitted: Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 07:29
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I have been offered an attachment for hanging a spare wheel on the bull bar. I thought that this was illegal but someone told me that no one worries about it 'up north' in WA or NT !

Anybody care to comment :-))
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Reply By: SA_Patrol - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 07:39

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 07:39
The old Kombi vans had them, I think as long as you don't cover the headlights and number plates, there's not a lot they can pick you on.
Also should be lower than the bonnet.
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Follow Up By: Old Nick - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 07:59

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 07:59
Probably OK with a Kombi- with a rear mounted air cooled motor.
I definately would not mount one (if legal) in front of a radiator and restrict the air flow. Even some bullbars alone restict air flow with out a spare hanging there and placing extra weight on the front suspension also.
No way would I entertain that idea!!

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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 07:52

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 07:52
I would think that it would be illegal in all states now will all the laws regarding vehicles fitted with air bags and crumple zones.

The fishing rod holder that was once attached to the front of the bull bar has also been outlawed.

I had to reposition the driving lights on the front of the Troopie because they were in front of the bull bar.

Then there are the air flow issue and the weight. It is your call but I can't see it being legal.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 09:31

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 09:31
Hi Wayne,
Yes that's what I was thinking, knowing about the fishing rods, lights etc. that's why I reckeon it is prob illegal.

It would save heaps over a swing-away carrier. Perhaps I can bulls... the powers that be thats its all soft and is part of my 'crush zone' :-))
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Reply By: samsgoneagain - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 08:49

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 08:49
good for smashing through gates !!
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Reply By: Footloose - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 12:32

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 12:32
I've hung the tyre there in days gone by, before pc and legislation gone berko. Not a great place, they tended to move around a bit and weigh the front down. Hmm..might have been the hi lift and shovel mounted on the bar that helped :))

Wouldn't dream of doing it now, of course.
Even my HF aerial has to be somewhere where I can't check to see if the top bit's still there :(((
IMHO it's not worth the hassle, get the real thing, just set and forget.
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Reply By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 13:32

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 13:32
Saw a Troopy with a tyre on the front this week, so people are doing it. Would i, no unless i was in the bush and had to put it there. Not so much to follow the law, just the airflow and mounting issues.
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Reply By: Exploder - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 14:23

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 14:23
I Can’t think of a more effective way of cutting of airflow throe the radiator LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 15:09

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 15:09
A tarp across the bullbar.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 16:24

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 16:24
Mud !! nothing better to block the airflow :-))
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 09:19

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 09:19
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 15:17

Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 15:17
They bring with them such a wonderful aroma.

I can smell it now, baked locust. Chuck chunderrrrrrrrrrr!!

Duncs
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Reply By: Harry - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 19:33

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 19:33
G'day,
I have been down the Canning and also done the Hay river trip and my mate Bill has carried his 2nd spare tyre (285/without rim) tied to his bullbar on both those trips. We also came back via the Anne Beadell so we did a lot of corrugations you could say.
It has never been an issue with air flow or weight. He did have it tied on well and I mean well.
He was never pulled over by plod but then maybe nobody saw him.
Bill is a stickler for weight and it didn't bother him having it on the front.
The roos bounce off better anyway. :>))
Your choice Kiwi
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 20:24

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 20:24
Thanks Harry, I reckon you are probably right. Most of the air flow comes up from below the grill when moving at speed so there be a cooling problem. I was considering a full wheel (tyre & rim) but as they are splits then just the tyre will (I hope) be all I really need as a second spare.
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Reply By: Harry - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 20:29

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 20:29
Even less of an issue if it's off a split rim.
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 22:42

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 22:42
I have a gadget that I can mount to the Bull Bar and I have used it to carry a spare case across the Anne Beadell. No problems at all with carrying it but I'm not sure of the Legalities of it all. It gave me peace of mind that I had a spare for the remote bits. I didn't expect to see and traffic police out there so I took a chance LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, May 07, 2007 at 07:39

Monday, May 07, 2007 at 07:39
Thanks Des Lexic, It may be the way to go, tie a case on the front when I am out of town.
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Monday, May 07, 2007 at 12:31

Monday, May 07, 2007 at 12:31
The gadget that I made up was a bit of a cow catcher. It was roughly a heavy aluminium plate bent into a L shape that the tyre could sit on. It was then bolted to the bottom of the bullbat where the number plate is. The tyre was then tied back to the top of the bullbar.
I have seen someone who simply tied the casing to the bullbar and after a thousand k's of corrugations the bull bar gave up with metal fatigue and cracked and nearly fell off. My way I distributed the load to the bottom of the bar.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, May 07, 2007 at 12:53

Monday, May 07, 2007 at 12:53
Thanks Des Lexic, It is amazing that a tyre added enough weight & lever arm to cause a problem on a bull bar. Something to think about !
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Reply By: Member - Barry (NT) - Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 23:43

Sunday, May 06, 2007 at 23:43
Hi Kiwi Not specifically illegal in the NT see the vehile standards link here.

http://www.ipe.nt.gov.au/whatwedo/mvr/vehiclestandards/pdf/ib-v20-2006-05.pdf

however it could be hard to argue you have reduced the risk of injury - and I'll give you the legislators type answer,,,,

it's better to hit a pedestrian with a flatter surface ie the full face of the bull bar (supposedly level surfaces) rather than have the impact taken by say an 850mm diam tyre with head and legs flaying around.

Clear as mud like a lot of vehicle standards issues - I used to write some of the technical bulletins and info bulletins to try to explain some of this - and it it aint always clear cut with legal and engineering differences often producing opposing views.

Barry
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, May 07, 2007 at 07:42

Monday, May 07, 2007 at 07:42
Ahh, some genuine knowledge, although as you say a bit muddy :-))

Thanks Barry. Think I may just tie a tyre on the front when away from the big smoke.
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