The Canning Solution.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me, whether people adhere to all the new rules and permits, only time will tell.

I think they need to get that bloody website running properly though.

Baz.

Hi Wayne,
Thought I write to give my perception on all this permit system.

But firstly I just copied a extract from a document from anfwd website titled Canning Stock route expeditions and public access. You will find this document by going to anfwdc homepage clicking on access update at the Canning stock route tab.

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The Canning Stock Route is a public access easement and does not need a permit to travel its length, provided sites subject of aboriginal native title are not entered. The vast majority of travellers however, after researching its history, plan to visit many special sites both along and off the easement. For most but not all of its length, it is about 8 kilometres wide (5 miles). Moving off the track for camping should be limited to less than two kilometres. The Martu people are very concerned about the protection of their native title rights and interests. Their adjoining lands may not be accessed except with a permit. Unquote.

I had hoped the permit system is to protect aboriginal sacred sites and their history,
Also I was hoping that the revenue generated could have been put back into the stock route in the form of restoration of wells or improving facilities in high usage areas. But maybe there's more to it than meets the eye.
Now, as I read it, this statement has raised a different issue, namely native title rights.

Maybe this permit system is a way of stopping people pegging out a vast area of aboriginal land and then claim it as theirs though , maybe, adverse possession.

Anyways, what i read above is if you stick to the Canning easement ie 8kms or 5miles wide there is no fee to pay. If you want to venture off the track, as we want to do, then you need to get a permit. A bit like driving up a highway and pulling into a caravan park to camp or museum.

On another matter that raised my interest was somebody mentioned what happens if you were delayed getting to the Canning as your permit has fixed dates.
The below is also a extract from the same document as above.

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Travellers on the road can utilize facilities at Wiluna & Kunawarritji Aboriginal Community (near Well 33) to access the ANFWDC site and purchase a permit. Printing costs will be payable to the proprietors at these locations before downloading. Unquote.

At Kunawarritji or Wiluna you may be able to change your permit dates to suit your needs.

Also Wayne as you are leaving in a couple of weeks, if the permit system is not up and running by then, you can purchase there. As much as you hate it.

I would like to add that the above extract of documents were last updated 12/08/06 so the information could be outdated.

Also Wayne I like to ask you what expected fuel consumptions figures are you using and how much fuel do you intend to carry? And are you going Nth to Sth or vise versa?

Thanks for any information.

Regards
Alan

I was born in this country, and I don't see why I should have to have a permit to travel on any track , I would not be going into anyones home or back yard, some other Australians don't need a Permit to drive down the Kwinana Freeway or the Logan Motorway, Where's the Equality,
What's a permit.....a piece of paper with some type on it, does that stop people from throwing rubbish out or damaging others property, spray painting rocks and signs, even taking signs and plaques, NO it don't .

Doug

Did you read my story in Post ID 45167? (reply 7). Makes interesting reading on the matter...

Wayne
As a matter of interest, what tyres do you use, not on your rig details.

Mal

One small issue you forgot about Wayne in your permit proposal. Could you really expect the AN4WDC to administer the 100's if not 1000's of applications for no cost? Without some goverment grant there would need to be some cost to cover the secretary, phone & computer.
What unfortunately was started as a well meaning proactive attempt by them to retain access to the popular areas just off the Stock route has unfortunately got a little too complicated for all involved to administer. Ideally access should have remained as in previous years until a simple fully working permit system was in place but that is unfortunately not the way of the bureaucracy.
Although a little slow I haven't had any issues with the permit system in place for many of the other Aboriginal lands I've travelled. Send in a list of cars & people with the expected transit date & they send out their 5 page handout that makes it clear where you can & can't go, what you can't touch & take home etc, even travelling & safety advice. Cost........free. All simple stuff it would seem but in reality with the large numbers of travellers now both local & overseas it needs to spelled out to many who simply have no idea or no respect for the people or whose land they are travelling.

Cheers Craig...........