Ground anchor....any ideas?
Submitted: Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:00
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Member - Paul S (VIC)
G'day folks,
Heading into the Victorian
Little Desert next week, rain is forecast and we are unsure what the tracks will be like. We plan on taking our KK and in the event we get stuck, there are apparently very few trees sturdy enough to winch out from.
I have looked at ground anchors which all seem heavy & pricey. Apart from burying the spare, are there any tricks you may be able to share with me.
Cheers,
Shep
Reply By: Member - Ross A (QLD) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:13
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:13
Hi Paul, A mate and I were talking about this on Wednesday and what we have come up with is to buy a marine plough anchor $30 - $40 and modify it buy cutting it so that it folds up and then pinning it open when required. The weight is always going to be on the heavy side but my idea .....for what it is worth ... is that a bit of weight when using it could be advantageous when using it to get it to dig in quicker. Do not know if this is going to work but certainly cheaper if it does.
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Reply By: Footloose - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:14
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:14
Borrow a boat sand anchor ?
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Follow Up By: slush - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:38
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:38
my ground anker is a triangle 6mm thick, each side is about 40cm long and it has a hole in the centre about 30mmx60mm. it has two tubes welded on back which i put a 19mm round bar through. i put the hook of my winch to that the bury it. its never failed and you don't have to bury it to far down. it all lays flat in the back under the draws. total cost $25.00
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross A (QLD) - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 08:12
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 08:12
Hi Slush, Have I got this right, the 19mm bar passes behind the 30mmx60mm hole and your hook connects to it through the hole? Would it work in all different soils/terrain like hard soil? I assume in crumbly earth you would have to bury it deeper.
Cheers
Rossco
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Follow Up By: slush - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 21:22
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 21:22
hi
ross, yes you are right, i guessed the hole size but it would be pretty close. as long as you can dig the ground i use the triangle, i bet your wondering why a triangle. its because when you dig a hole it is nearly always triangle, so it just slides in. for really hard stuff i have an old torsion bar cut in half and belt that in the ground with the log splitter and then pull it out with the winch when done.
cheers slush.
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:34
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:34
a. Bury the spare wheel(I have done so a few times)
b. Use 3 star pickets at 1 foot intervals lashed together with wire and banged into the ground at a 45 degree angle.
Little Desert in Victoria has some sandy tracks and thats about it. It really shouldnt be called a desert. It has a lot of low growing flora and not too many trees in
places.
If it rains out there the tracks will firm up.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Des - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 09:33
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 09:33
I agree about
Little Desert Willem. (Likewise the other mallee country parks in Victoria.) You shouldn't get bogged in the sand there, wet or dry, if you lower your tyres. Even if you do, a shovel and something to put under the wheels (we carry plastic tracks, some take rolls of rubber matting) will get you out.
However the clay pans on a number of the tracks are a different story. If they were wet, I can imagine you could get badly enough stuck on those to need to winch out. And you would struggle to find a tree. A ground anchor (star pickets or whatever) might be worth it for that situation, if travelling solo.
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:44
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:44
If you take care.... you shoudn't need dramatic winching. Worried by the sounds of things that you might be bush bashing???
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:50
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 21:50
You could take my mother-in-law and bury her with a rope around her . Only problem is she would probably talk her way out .
Willie
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:07
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:07
That really is a disgusting Rig
Pic, Sir Willie. Not something I would have thought a
well heeled gentleman, like yourself, would use in public. Time for a change?
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Paul S (VIC) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:19
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:19
Some interesting options, thanks for your input folks.
Regards,
Shep
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Reply By: Dave from P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:40
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:40
Get some Maxtrax and Drive out! ;-)
We've investigated ground anchors and tried a few on for size.
I believe that the better option is the maxtrax, on so many levels.
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Reply By: Tim (vic) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:49
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:49
3 star pickets cheap and easy (except when you want to remove them)
Tim
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Follow Up By: Nick R - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:54
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:54
you can hi lift jack them out
Saw a ground anchor which uses short star droppers that you belt through a frame at a pre set angle then hook on to the frame, it comes with a simple jack to get them out after, I reckon I might make one, good way to use the badly bent star droppers I have lying around
NickR
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 09:21
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 09:21
Yeah Nick...and then you can try them out at your favourite bog hole in the forest....LOL
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Follow Up By: Nick R - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 10:33
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 10:33
Why would you need a ground anchor in the forest???
ahhhh i get it...
I haven't been through my favourite one again yet. I drove around the rest of the tracks there with the family and found a better one but I didn't attempt it. I did hear a story about lucy having to pull moses through the better one after xmas........
Lucy didn'y get through either, he went around the long way.
NickR
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Reply By: Member- Rox (WA) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:57
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 22:57
Have you seen the wombat? Try Google
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Reply By: Kev M (NSW) - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 09:09
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 09:09
I wouldn't bury an Alloy wheel. They are not that sturdy to winch off.
Cheers Kev
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Reply By: Kev M (NSW) - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 13:46
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 13:46
This is the one in the latest edition of 4WD Monthly costs $650 though. I reckon that you could make your own for a shed load less.
Kev
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 13:50
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 13:50
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 17:29
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 17:29
you could google PRT or Portable Rescue Tree, MUCH cheaper than $650 I would reckon
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Reply By: Crackles - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 14:24
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 14:24
Paul the likelyhood of requiring a winch is extremely low but certainly good to go prepared. The sand driving is very easy in the
Little Desert even with a trailer, it's probably the claypans you might worry about when wet. With an extra tree strap or chain you can winch off 2 or 3 trees as the same time sharing the load. Always disconnect the trailer & get the strap down low around the Mallee root at the bottom. Obviously big trees are not common but a 50m extension strap may just get you to one.
3 x 1m star pickets & a drag chain to join them up is by far the cheapest solution to anchor off when there is nothing on offer.
Cheers Craig...............
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Reply By: Member - Jim C (NSW) - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 18:05
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 18:05
Paul,
Have a hunt around some farms or
farm machinery suppliers for a plough disc. They are reasonably light, stack fairly flat and also make a beaut barbecue plate.
Jim
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Reply By: Member - Darren T (VIC) - Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 21:42
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 21:42
I don`t think you have any problems at all in the
Little Desert. We camped there nearly 12 months ago on another
forum gathering (at
Kiata campground), in all 6 vehicles that did the sand driving not one had any trouble. There was rain about 3 days before we went and although the top 2 or 3 inchs was fairly soft (dried out), below that it was fairly firm.
Just remember to air down and it sholud all be fine, and if you do manage to get bogged somehow, its fairly easy to dig yourself out or pack underneath the wheels to odrive out.
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