A very personal story
Submitted: Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 14:31
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Footloose
I was dragged up amongst kids from at least 60 nationalities.Sure,some were different but you got to know that a good bloke was a good bloke, no matter where he came from. I had good mates that were Dutch and German and we hung out with a Chinese kid. The only time we ever noticed any differences were when we went into their homes.
Later I went out with a girl whose father only hated two things; dammed cats and bloody Poms. I kinda struck out there.
Point being that as far as I was concerned, I didn't have a racist bone in my body.
It was at
Geikie Gorge, about the early 90's on a trip around the Big A. No, not neew
york, Australia.
I was doing a paper for a WA uni on aboriginality, and was keen to make contact with some coherent locals. Now you can't just walk into a community and ask questions, and I was finding the going pretty difficult, especially as aboriginal people were kinda thin on the ground in my part of the world.
On my way down to
the gorge there was a big, smiling aboriginal bloke with his cleaning gear, just outside the loo.
Beauty, I thought, and struck up a conversation. We yarned for an hour or more, about the area and the fact that he was from
Perth, which I found unusual.
Two
ranger guys in uniform came and stood next to him, one on either side, so I told him I'd better stop dribbling and let him get on with his work, as I didn't want him in strife with his boss.
He laughed and explained that he WAS the boss.
What horrified me was that I'd assumed that because he was aboriginal and had the cleaning stuff, that he was an assistant.
Not a racist bone in my body, eh ?
Reply By: Hairy - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:35
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:35
It depends if you assumed he wasnt the boss because he was carrying cleaning gear or because he was black??
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:39
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:39
I've pondered long and hard on that one. And I'm still not sure.
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:51
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:51
I don't think there is any thing wrong with making assumptions anyway.
Its like having a cop pull you over, you automatically assume you've done something wrong because that is the norm but its not always the case. I dont think it means your racist because you assume something.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:52
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:52
It's a real bugger - I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:56
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:56
Gerhard, you're Ok, how am I ?
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:09
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:09
I give up, how are you? :)
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Reply By: Shaker - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:50
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 15:50
It's funny you mention that sort of racism, I was watching the Channel Eddie TV show "The Lost Tribes" at 6.30pm last Sunday night & wondered if the same degree of nudity would have been shown, had they been 'white'.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:28
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:28
Many "tribes" of whites appear to be "lost". But any white nudity is usually only shown for other reasons. :))
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:01
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:01
I have a shoelace.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:05
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:05
Ahhh...but do you have a goat to go with the shoelace ?
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:22
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:22
I have two ....... shoelaces that is ...... and they're both different :))))
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Follow Up By: nowimnumberone - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:53
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 16:53
ah but my problem is i have a pair of work boots.
1 shoe lace snapped at one end so i shortened it
now i have 1 long and 1 short shoe lace
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 17:23
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 17:23
Some of you blokes are starting to worry me.!
Regards Bob
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 21:51
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 21:51
Only some of us :))))))))
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:59
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:59
Al
That was my attempt at be nice, and tactful. LOL
Regards Bob
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 17:44
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 17:44
Footloose,
Find it interesting, some of this political correctness. Some times useful, sometimes a real pain.
Like you said, you soon work out the other people worth knowing, and the ones not worth the trouble.
In Moorooka at the moment, we have quite a few african families that have come through the immigration system, legally. Now some of the oldies around here are getting really worried about it becoming a 'little africa'. These are the same people who 20 to 30 years ago would go out of thier way to welcome a new family into the street, whether they be Greek, or Italian, Hungarian or English.
Came across a concept called social darwinism a couple of years ago. Became popular at the end of the 19th century. The basis of the theory goes that the advance of a society gives an indication of the people's inherent intelligence. Since the British empire was at it's peak, the Brits were the top of the tree in human development, then Europeans and other industrialised countries, then
places like China, etc, then arabs, africans and last of course were Australian aboriginals and other hunter gatherers. Now we know this is a fallacy, but it seems to be taking a while for it to disappear. Suppose we all are a little nervous of things different. Part of our survival instinct. But I have heard it said that social darwinism and it's influence is partly responsible for the government policies of the late 19th and early 20th century.
Havn't explored this too far. What are your feelings as a result of your experiences?
PS - yes, I am white middle class, with most probably a few hang ups that I am not aware off. :o)
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 17:58
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 17:58
Oldplodder, ah yes. Social Darwinism. A rose by any other name.
I know Moorooka...
well I've driven through there a few times recently and I can quite understand the little old ladies. Those immigrants look a bit different don't they..no doubt there are good and bad among them.
Perhaps sometimes we have to say to ourselves that it's ok to not be the fount of human kindness and understanding. If you've ever been the only white person in a black communuity you'll possibly experience racism big time :))
But we can but try.
I guess it doesn't matter who you are, what you look like etc someone is going to discriminate...perhaps we need to get inside a females or indiginous persons head to really understand what its like.
But the good thing is that at least we now recognize that it happens.
I've lived in country towns where I've been discriminated against because I didn't go to Mass each Sunday !
I've been discriminated against because I chatted to an aboriginal girl on a train (I didnt know what she was...didnt matter , she was nice...I was
young )
And I once left a job in the bush because of the raw deal the locals gave the indiginous people. The same town now has a sort of reverse racism, which brings me no joy either !
I now recognize that I have the same reserve towards strangers, especially if they don't look like my mob, as anyone else.
It's a personal failing, but hey that's life.
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Follow Up By: Stu050 - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 18:30
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 18:30
Footy,
We used to have a minister at Corfield (QLD), that used to come out to you and more or less demand why you weren't in church on Sunday.
We used to tell him any old thing.........although if we saw him coming we used to bolt:))) He was a bit like vegemite, a little bit goes a long way.
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Reply By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 18:59
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 18:59
Hey Footloose
I think you had a paradigm shift of major proportions there.
Such a shift is almost always unnerving to some extent, it's not about racism but rather about how we see the world.
Here is a story you might like :-)
‘Imagine you're in London's Heathrow Airport. While you're waiting for your flight, you notice a kiosk selling shortbread cookies. You buy a box, put them in your traveling bag and then you patiently search for an available
seat so you can sit down and enjoy your cookies. Finally you find a
seat next to a gentleman. You reach down into your traveling bag and pull out your box of shortbread cookies. As you do so, you notice that the gentleman starts watching you intensely. He stares as you open the box and his eyes follow your hand as you pick up the cookie and bring it to your mouth. Just then he reaches over and takes one of your cookies from the box, and eats it! You're more than a little surprised at this. Actually, you're at a loss for words. Not only does he take one cookie, but he alternates with you. For every one cookie you take, he takes one.
Now, what's your immediate impression of this guy? Crazy? Greedy? He's got some nerve?! Can you imagine the words you might use to describe this man to your associates back at the office? Meanwhile, you both continue eating the cookies until there's just one left. To your surprise, the man reaches over and takes it. But then he does something unexpected. He breaks it in half, and gives half to you. After he's finished with his half he gets up, and without a word, he leaves.
You think to yourself, "Did this really happen?" You're left sitting there dumbfounded and still hungry. So you go back to the kiosk and buy another box of cookies. You then return to your
seat and begin opening your new box of cookies when you glance down into your travelling bag. Sitting there in your bag is your original box of cookies -- still unopened.
Only then do you realize that when you reached down earlier, you had reached into the other man's bag, and grabbed his box of cookies by mistake. Now what do you think of the man? Generous? Tolerant? You've just experienced a profound paradigm shift. You're seeing things from a new point of view. Now, think of this story as it relates to your life. Things may not be what they seem. Seeing things from a new point of view can be very enlightening….’ – This is reproduced as it is from “Point of View”, a story by Joe Gracia
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Follow Up By: Member - Ray - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 21:24
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 21:24
That is awesome.I think I will take a fair while to come to grips with that one.
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 21:59
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 21:59
Another reader of 'The Guide'? ;-)
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:30
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:30
Yep, perception is reality.
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Follow Up By: Keith_A (Qld) - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 10:39
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 10:39
Thanks for that GT - might have to see if I can get that book.
You would probably enjoy 'Quantum Healing', a book by Deepak Chopra. He is a western trained endocrinologist with an interest in quantum physics.
He decides to look at the similarity between these two fields and Indian (Ayurveda) healing. Perception creates reality, yes, and altering our perceptions reveals other realities (or so the theory says).........................Keith
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Tuesday, May 15, 2007 at 14:25
Tuesday, May 15, 2007 at 14:25
Thanks Keith I'll track it down.
The whole subject has interested me for some time.
I've just finished running a four day seminar for sales managers based on
"No one gets what they deserve, you get what you expect."
It's just another way of expressing the same thought.
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Reply By: hiab - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 19:41
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 19:41
i would say your assumption was well founded, not very many would be able to even be a cleaner, nor do they want to. culture is now from a green can, respect for elders is gone. not racism, realism.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:31
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:31
I think my problem is that "not very many" got confused with "all".
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 22:04
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 22:04
Here's one for you.
2 boy's aged 4 1/2 going to the same pre- school, they laugh and joke about the same thing, they play with the same toys, they swim in the same pool, they love
fishing and hunting, they speak 2 different languages, they drink from the same tap, they play in the same sand pit, their fathers own there own business, they wear the same clothes, there best friends.
One day they will grow up and go to a pub, probably have one to many, people will look at one of them without prejudice and the other with disgust.
Why ????
One is a traditional owner of
Kakadu, The other is my Son.
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 22:19
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 22:19
Steve, that's so sad because it's so true.
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:05
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:05
Try this one
This ritual can occur at any time of the year. It usually starts during the daytime and often extends late into the night. Participation in the ritual is not open to everyone. Only some members of the tribe are permitted to take part. These participants do unusual things to enhance their appearance. Some participants wear paint on their faces. Some participants put an oily substance in their hair. Some participants even artificially increase their height by the use of specially made devices under their feet which is considered by most people in the tribe to look attractive. Cowskin and cloth are worn by most of the participants, and small amounts of metal can also be seen.
The key ceremony of the ritual involves a small group of participants who repeat sacred words with assistance from a holy man. During this part of the ritual, the other participants are expected to listen quietly. Upon its completion, the participants are encouraged to throw a special kind of food at the small group, especially at the man and the woman who are the main focus of the ritual. The significance of this food throwing has not been determined, but some researchers believe that it is connected with fertility. The remainder of the ritual — which can last for many hours — is conducted in a separate location. The main focus of this part of the ritual appears to be the drinking of fermented liquids, although a number of other activities also take place. Researchers are not in agreement about the purpose and meaning of these activities.
What is happening???
Steve
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:10
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:10
To the untrained eye it seems like a marriage ?
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Reply By: Member - Fizz (NSW) - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 22:32
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 22:32
How about Len Beadell's episode when he drove hundreds of
miles into Alice from somewhere out there on the pre-natal Gunbarrell to get some parts after a mulga root stuffed his grader blade. He was confronted by a little old lady he assumed would go and get the expert, only to find she knew more about it by
miles than he (Len) did, and after she dealt with other matters while he was there, realised SHE was THE EXPERT in town.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 22:41
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 22:41
I'm with Len on that one :)) In my day women wouldn't even think about putting bait on a hook, too yukky. These days they fish moere than many blokes.
Wouldn't be the first time I've been surprised to see a safety helmet come off and the long hair cascade down. It shouldn't ,but it still surprises me a bit. And I'm never comfortable with women pilots or doctors...dont ask me why, I'm sure many are better than a bloke, but that doesn't change things for me
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Reply By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 23:30
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 23:30
Did I read that right? Did Truckster say he had a shoe lace? ALRIGHTEE THEN!
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 23:46
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 23:46
Stuck in the Tanimi Desert about 10 years ago. Sent out a message for help... but got moving again. Needed to get to a phone and let them know we were okay before the posse was sent out.. so we headed into the Tanimi Gold Mine.
Went to the site office. Two aboriginal girls at the front desks and one white further back. To my shame... I spoke in a loud voice to the back at the white girl.... yep, the aboriginal girl in front of me was in charge and very helpful to the racist stranger...
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:35
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:35
I wonder if you'd have been aboriginal, would you have made the same mistake ? I'm betting you would have. I suspect we're all a bit racist, it seems to me to be part of being human.
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Reply By: Member - Au-2 - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 00:14
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 00:14
Footloose, we are all shaped by our perceptions of what is normal, by our environment. I always thought that I was raised with a non-racist outlook at a time when
Australia was actively being promoted as white, so my perceptions were never tested. Until I saw a piece of film in the 60's, which featured a typically British male walking down a street with a bowler hat and furled umbrella, viewed from behind. When the camera caught up and panned around to his front he was an African male, I was gobsmacked and then shocked by my reaction.
Years later, Mickey D's ran an ad where a man sat facing the camera with an Akubra tilted forward over his face while the spiel was voiced over the still image. At the close the man raised his head and uttered 'Strewth' in a very Aussie accent. Nothing odd about this you say? Not until you saw the very Asian face under the hat! That ad didn't run for very long.
Just lately, my youngest son called me a racist when I mentioned that, while sitting on my front verandah, I was shocked to see an Asian man go by on a three wheeled bicycle which had a canopied seat between the two back wheels, on which sat his wife and child. We live in small town
Australia and that scene is not one which I relate to being part of my normal environment. I was not expecting to see that type of thing in the place where I live, so I was shocked into realising that the world has certainly become a global village in my lifetime.
Twenty years ago my 10yr old daughter was disabled by cancer for a while and I was astonished by the rudeness of people who stopped in front of her wheelchair and stared at her, forcing me to push her chair around the starers. Most of those who made it obvious were the older (50/60's) generation who had not seen too many disabled people in their formative years and reacted negatively when faced with one unexpectedly. Mind you, it didn't take me long to acquire 'attitude'. If they got in my way, I would push right up to them, stop, then say, "This is my daughter, she has cancer, do you have any question?' It's funny, but I never got a single one. I doesn't take much to change ones perceptions.
OzeSheila.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:42
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 07:42
It certainly doesn't, hope the cancer outcome was positive. I was in a breast cancer ward of a private hospital a couple of years ago. I had always regarded it as being a middle aged thing. I was horrified by the overwhelming number of
young women there.
Ad a male, one tends to have certain inbuilt attitudes towards that part of the female anatomy. I used to look and say "ahhh" or words to that effect.
Now I look and think "you poor buiggar"
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Follow Up By: Member - Au-2 - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 11:52
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 11:52
Yes Footloose, she survived brain damage, due to surgery for removal of brain tumour. She is now 29 but will always have the mind of 10-12yr old. I celebrate 12 years since I was treated for breast cancer tomorrow and I have to say that because of that I have a better understanding of how she felt at that time. Today we are each others best friend, which we weren't always before.
What were you doing in a breast cancer ward? I know that men also get b.c. so I guess I am still discriminating and hope you weren't there for that reason.
OzeSheila.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 12:06
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 12:06
No, wasn't me but SWHBO who had just had the lump and lymph nodes removed.
She's fine 5 yrs down the track, apart from Lymphodemia. Np family history, she's the one who did all the right things etc ..bit of a shock but she was lucky and they got it early.
I feel sorry for your daughter, but at least you still have her.
Alls well that ends well I guess.
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Reply By: Baldrick - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:42
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:42
I was talking with a group of friends at a party the other night, the topic of discussion was which famous celebrity would you sleep with if the offer was made.
One friend, who is a doctor, mentioned that a doctor colleague of his had actually slept with Mick Jagger. We all thought, ooo yuk, is he gay?
Of course not, this doctor was a SHE!
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:55
Monday, May 14, 2007 at 09:55
I thought everyone had slept with him...at least that's what Marrianne (un ?) faithfull said :)))
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