CSR Permit system - working now

Hi Michael

The permit allows you to go off the Canning Stock Route to visit or camp in places which have been open to the public for the past 200 odd years.

The CSR itself does NOT require a permit as it is a public thoroughfare...(for the moment...lol).

Cheers

I think I know what you mean.

It will enable me to comply with the requirement that you need a permit to visit certain areas along the CSR between Wells 5 and 40.

Go to www.anfwdc.asn.au and read all about it. Also look at the CSR Treknotes.

Peter

Right!! Thanks Willem, I guess that had to be the reason... red tape and a cost involved i assume. I guess its the way of the world nowadays. Compliance for compliance sake!!!!

Who are the anfwdc. and why are they involved?

Richard

anfwdc stands for Australias New Feral Whippet Drivers Co-operative

Honestly Richard. Have you ever heard of people living under Mushrooms....LOL

Maybe try Aust National Four Wheel Drive Council.

They approached Ngaanyatjarra Council with the view to operate an interim Plan of Management for areas adjacent to the CSR with the Martu Native Title Determination. So they say.

Anyway they will be issueing permits to venture off the CSR.

Cheers

Wayne,

The permit itself is one page only. There are then 2 PDF files which you can view and print if you need to . One is about Martu history and Jigalong (13 pages) while the other is an ANFWDC document (8 pages) covering what areas are included (and excluded) and includes code of conduct info.

I understand it is possible to complete the application at Wiluna and at the Kunawarritju Community (Well 33) so those who don't know now will find out eventually.

By the way, how much fuel are you planning on carrying and will you top up at Well 23?

Cheers

Peter

Peter,

Sorry to take so long to get back to you.

We all start out with full tanks at Wiluna, at least 250 lt for diesel, and in my vehicle 280lt. In the past we have averaged 190lt per vehicle to Well 23.

With the fuel that is left in the tanks and the 205lt at Well23 we have enough to get to Bililuna.

This year I will be taking 4 empty jerry cans and filling them with fuel that we can't get into our fuel tanks form our alloted drums at Well23.

The permit documents sound a bit more real now. At first there was a rumour of a 40 page document that every vehicle had to carry. If that was the case we were going to burn the permit to a disk and have every vehicle carry the disk. Hopefully we will be able to copy the permit for each vehicle and just one copy of the information.

Wayne

Wayne,

Thanks for the fuel info. We have two patrols and one Disco2 in our group. All with long range tanks. So the Patrols have 215l in tanks and we will carry an extra 20l. I am planning to order some fuel at well 23 to top us up then fill up at Kunawarritju for the run to Halls Ck.

Be good to hear how you go in June though.

Cheers

Peter

Peter,

The Canning is the first of 7 trips that I will be doing back to back. When I leave home at the end of May I will not be back until mid October.

I will, however try and get some information back to the forum while I am away.

Wayne

Much appreciated. You lucky devil. I can only get away for 5 weeks this time.

Peter

Hi

As we are also planning to do the csr some time in august, I have been following the fuel dicussion with some interest. Wayne,just being curious, with 280 ltrs you should make it to Kunawarritju Community, where fuel should be available. So why go through the hassle of getting fuel dumped at Well 23, is that for safety reasons. Is the availabilty at Kunawarritju not reliable? What are the costs of getting a drum of diesel dumped at well 23? Would be thankful for some information.

Cheerio

Wolfgang

Wolfgang,

The reasons that you said are just about it.

Paying for the fuel before you leave is also a benefit. With the price of fuel jumping around, having paid for it 6 weeks ago would be cheaper than todays price.

We would pay 30-40 cents per litre less to have it delivered to Well 23 from Capricorn Road house. Last year fuel was $2.80 p/lt at Kunawarritji Community and was going up to about $3.00 p/lt. It would pay to check the latest prices of fuel from this site before you make up your mind as to where you want to get your fuel from.

The shop that sells the fuel is only open for certain hours. If you require fuel outside these hours there is a opening fee. $10 per vehicle.

The other thing is that the Community has EFTPOS, but will not accept credit cards. Cash only
Last year a petrol vehicle took on just under $900 worth of petrol, and that was for 300lt. I am glad that he had that much cash on him.

There would be more fuel at Well 23 in drums than at Kunawarritji in there storage tank. If a couple of big conveys come through they could very easily run low if not out of fuel.The drums in which the fuel came in were from BP with the factory seal on the bungs. the fuel was clean and had not been tampered with. We take our own hand pump and pump the fuel out of the drum that way. All the drums are on the ground with you name on them so it is easy to know who has what drum. The empty are left in another area. Sometimes there is fuel left over and that is what some people take if they are running short.

I will, as a trip leader, tend to carry more fuel than required just in case the is a detour or in case of an emergency have to do some extra travelling.

I think that it is good to have two suppliers of fuel to do the Canning. If there was only one, how much would the fuel be then???

We do go to the Kunawarritji Community to stock up on fresh (frozen) supplies so we are supporting the Community in a small way.

With the Calvert Range no longer accessible, the amount of fuel that will have to carry will now be less. How much I am not sure, but I would rather have to much fuel than not enough.

Wayne

Hi Wayne,

thanks for the info, appreciate it very much. One more question. Is it possible to get in to touch with Capricorn Roadhouse via eMail, as we are ftrom overseas, or only by phone?

Wish you a safe trip.

Cheerio

frankieboy,

I have had a look and the only way to get in touch is by phone, 08 9175 1535

Wayne

No worries, thanks, drive safely....

Cheerio

I think you will find that the Traditional Owners wanted to set up a permit system and the ANFWDC offered with the view that the system would be more sympathetic to us travelers and possibly having more influence with the traditional owners in maintaining access if the permit system was under the management of a 4wd Association?

I guess that being the first group to offer and the traditional owners having no one else come forward at that time they took up the offer.

I know from other posts that the EO owners offered at a later time to manage the permits via this site but it appears the offer by ANFWDC had already been accepted :-(
(I personally don't dispute that EO would have been a better site to manage the system due to their technical expertise and no real additional cost involved in the set up process of the web site etc)

The permit system was going to happen regardless of who is now managing the process, its probably a better situation for us that it is run by a body that is interested in maintaining access to us as travelers rather than some obscure government bureaucracy??

ANFWDC don't manage or control this important area, the land owners do that. ANFWDC only issue permits in accordance with the protocol laid down by the land owners.