Hay River
Submitted: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:11
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Hunjy
G'Day all
Our Family is joining a group of exprienced 4wdrs to do the
Hay River this year. the Simpson itenary is up the K1 and onto the
Hay River trek to Jervois. 3 are towing camper trailers with one of these a reasonably light weight job using a standard tow ball rig. my question to you, is he mad or what is the likelyhood of them completing the trip without incident with this rig?
It worries me.
Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:34
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:34
Hunjy,
I always amazes me that some people will tempt fate and put a trip into disarray and spoil it for ever one else because they think that know better.
It is bad enough taking a trailer but to take a trailer that is not set up to do such a trip is plane inconsiderate.
A standard ball hitch will not be any good. The ball will be ripped off, or the trailer will fall apart.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Hunjy - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:40
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:40
Thanks for the input Wayne. I'm looking for the forums opnions and maybe present the findings to those concerned.
Hunjy
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:37
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:37
Having done that trek last year I'd be leaving all the trailers at
home if conditions are the same as they were last year. It was very soft especially between the bottom of the
Hay and Beachcomber, we had a turbo Patrol, 100 series turbo and a new 79 series turbo all of which had to be towed/recovered at some stage by the Humvee. All very experienced drivers and
well setup vehicles, the 100 series clutch let go as
well.
From the bottom of the
Hay up to Jervois will be ok towing.
I hope you have already organised permits for access as according to Direct 4wd's site it is booked out for the school hols in June/July already.
The K1 is closed at the
Warburton end and will probably be that way for some time so you will be getting to Poeppells via the QAA.
If you still intend to tow then the towball is a definate no!!!
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:39
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:39
I forgot to add that there has been rain across the area and it is getting alittle more at the moment but recent simpson travellers have mentioned that the dunes still have steep, soft live crests despite the rain.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:41
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:41
Agree with Peter, Having also done the
Hay River trip I would be leaving all trailers at
home.
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Reply By: Hunjy - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:55
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 20:55
Peter 2
Sounds like I might have to upgrade to a Humvee or stay out of sight and be tailend charlie. Might even look for Thorny devils if there is dramas with trailers up the front.
Yes permits all go and did you do the bush tucker tour and what was on the menu?
hunjy
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 22:28
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 22:28
Was there last year and will be returning this year. Last year (June)we were part of a convoy of 12 vehicles, 5 of which were towing off road trailers. No problems apart from one snatch off a soft dune. All tyres were very low.
On the bush tucker tour we thought that there was to be a bush tucker meal provided but that turned out not to be the case. There was very little food to be found, and what bush tucker we ate during the whole trip would have fitted very easily into the palm of your hand. The bush bananas were OK and cucumbers were good. No animal tucker at all. Great desert scenery though and the
Batton Hill camp is
well set up.
HTH
Val.
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Follow Up By: traveller2 - Thursday, May 17, 2007 at 08:15
Thursday, May 17, 2007 at 08:15
We didn't do the bush tucker tour as we had heard that due to the very dry conditions it wouldn't be at its best.
Batton
Hill is a
great camp and the facilities are 1st class, gives lots of camping areas something to aspire to.
If you are coming up from Poeppels then the dunes will be at their steepest on your approach side, you will have fun with the trailers if the track is not
well defined and you are making your own.
Yes I have towed a light camper across
the desert quite afew times over the years, much easier to leave it at
home on desert trips.
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 21:22
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 21:22
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Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 21:39
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 21:39
The problem with a standard tow ball on this route is the maximum articulation of the ball will most likely be exceeded on the sharp crests or dips. This can either end up snapping the ball or bending the drawbar. The lack of tracks on this route due to wind will no doubt put added stress on any trailer, such that he may not have "experienced" on other easier trips. Although not mad, towing a lesser quality trailer in remote deserts does add an unnecesary liabilty to the group not just to himself. In other words if this trailer collapses he will most likely need to transfer a little bit of gear to your car.
Cheers Craig................
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Follow Up By: Hunjy - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 21:44
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 21:44
Ed.C
Yes they have read that.
Crackles
Might have to show the concerned traveller post 45269 (Theos recovery charges)
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 22:08
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 22:08
Hunjy I doubt he would get it recovered at those costs particually as it doesn't sound like it's worth that much hence why I suggest you keep a bit of space available to help carry a few of his jerry cans so he can complete the trip;-)
Cheers Craig.........
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 22:17
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 22:17
I don't think they do recoveries from the Northern Simpson anyway??
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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 21:55
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 at 21:55
Hmmm
That towball hitch sounds dangerous. Multiswivel towhitch (Treg etc)is by far the best.
Last year, when
the desert was at its softest for years, I towed my 800kg(fully laden) trailer to the Geographical Centre of the Simpson. From Erabena Oil Field north to the Centre and back to the French Line I had no troubles with the trailer except once when I had to drive down a dune at an angle. The 200km or so offtrack was a bit of a nightmare for some of our participants and pretty hard going in
places and we bounced a lot over the spinifex. I ran my Nissan tyres at 13psi all round and the trailer tyres at 10psi.
Desert driving is all about anticipation. The trip leader has to scramble his/her brain constantly looking ahead for the best passage to follow whilst generally following a compass bearing. Low Range 2nd and 3rd gears at a steady pace do the trick. Most of the time we were averaging about 8kmh.
Go to my website below, click on 4x4 and then click on A Hard Trek into
the Desert to have a read of our little adventure.
Cheers
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, May 17, 2007 at 08:56
Thursday, May 17, 2007 at 08:56
Hi Hunjy
There a picture of Pajero in my members photo's that shows typical dune crossing.
They were high but was some soft sand ridges (5)
Robin Miller
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