HID kits - My experience and recommendations
Submitted: Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 08:56
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Hi there,
When I purchased my brand new LC100 in October last year I decided to try the HID kits available on ebay. I did a lot of online research but getting all the answers on choosing colour temp etc is not easy.
A word of warning, fitting a HID kit to the low beam is illegal. Having said that in my experience and testing the HID kits do work effectively on a LC100 low beam and they do not dazzle on coming drivers 99% of the time (I have never been high beamed by another driver). I can't speak for other vehicle's lights. The cut off on low beam is less pronounced then with the halogen globe but it is still there. The only time when there is a risk of dazzling an on coming vehicle is when driving over the crest of a steep
hill. Generally a crest this pronounced only occurs in a suburban street and not on a highway or major road. This is cause simply by the brightness of the HID light and the light shining high as you crest the
hill. The same effect does occur with the halogen light, but is less blinding due to less brightness.
On low beam the HID improves the spead of light to the sides, improves the distance of the light (limited by correct hieght adjustment) and of course it is brighter.
On high beam there is a big improvement on distance and spead, it is brighter and the light is very evenly distributed along and across the road (no hot spots). The only down side is when high beam is first selected is take a couple of seconds for the HID globe to warm up to achieve full bightness. Once full brightness is achieved the high beam can be dipped and reselected (so long as they are not left dipped for too long) without a delay in brightness. This is not a problem with low beam on a LC100 as once the low beam is on it stays on (seperate low & high beam bulbs).
The hardest decision to make when buying a kit is choosing the best colour temp. Most sellers recommend 6000k (daylight is 5500k). I followed this advise and found them to be noticably blue in colour. This takes a bit of getting use to. I have since changed to 5000k (after 6 months with 6000k)and find this a more natural colour that appears white. By comparision a halogen globe appears warm (orange/yellow at about 3700k - 4300k).
I am so happy with the results that I have now purchased a set of Lightforce XGT lights and am in the process of converting them to 5000k HID (H3 kit). This is a bit of a luxury as I don't really need spotties because the performance of the HID vehicle lights is very good. A 35 watt HID kit has 2.5 - 3 times the brightness of standard headlight halogen globes.
This is my experience with HID kits and I am only posting so others can benifit from my experience. Kits cost about $159 on ebay now (H4 with HID low & high are about $259). Just purchase with a reputable seller.
Cheers,
Topend.
Reply By: Olcoolone (SA) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 21:30
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 21:30
It is not illegal to have headlight globes that are higher then 4300k, it is just a kelvin rating of the light in the light spectrium and not the brightness.
Most globe makers put out lights that are ADR approved, Phillips call them crystal blue that are 6000k rated.
The higher you go in K rating the darker the light.
1000k red
2000k
orange
2900k (older vehicles with non halogen lights)
3000k yellow
3400k (close to standard halogen light colour)
4000k white
4100k pure white
4300k (close to +50% halogen globes)
5000k light blue
6000k blue
8000k light purple
10000k purple
This is only a rough guild.
You get about 30% less distance vision using 6000k globes than you would if you used 4000k globes.
This does not change if it is HID or standard filiment globes.
If you used a 100w 6000k globe in a light you would get the same visual distance as a 60w 3400k globe would
Anything over 4500k will dazzle on comming drivers because the human eye can not adjust the that colour spectuim or above very
well and as you get older the colour rating goes down....so when you are 20 years old your eyes will adjust to 4500k very quickly but if you were 60 years old you may find at 4500k your eyes are very slow to adjust.
This is why older people get realy P@#SED OFF and say that those lights are to
bright or are aimed incorrectly when the truth off the matter is there is nothing wrong with the lights it just the older persons eyes.
The only thing to be careful of is reflectors in filiment globed lenses have a differant focal point and distrubution of light if you convert over to HIDs.
The reason HID lights have greater light out put is in a filiment globe the filiment is what generates the light output and has such a small surface area whereby HID uses ignited gas that burns over a larger surface area.
You can put HID lights in any car aslong as it has a self leveling function and headlight washers that is very expensive and near impossable.
We use and only recondmend the Phillips HID kits, we have Hella Rallye 4000s with HID kits fitted.
Regards Richard
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Reply By: Olcoolone (SA) - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 00:39
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 00:39
If you toke the time to read my post correctly it was not about wrongly adjusted lights!
You may belive what ever you want.
I think every one knows there are vehicles getting around with lights that are not adjusted correctly and when was the last time yours were checked.
Correctly adjusted lights no matter what wattage will NOT dazzle on coming drivers.
And can you please explain "people should learn lighting is a matter of ambience & contrast & recovery time" .....maybe Im missing something.
If I insulted you with my post I am sorry.
Someone asked a good question and I replied with a sensiable technical answer,perhaps next time you may like to answer it first instead of getting your back up and picking on such a small part of my answer.
I looking forward to you response.
Richard
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Reply By: Topend - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 07:22
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 07:22
Just as a matter of interest, I drove down to a quiet dark road to adjust my lights 10 or 12 times to ensure they were adjusted correctly. Both my old 2001 LC100 and my current 2006 LC100 were adjusted too high (with halogen or HID) from the factory.
If I load up the vehicle or hitch on the boat I turn the adjustment (after a lot of testing) half a turn to compensate.
I am serious about not dazzling / blinding other drivers.
In my original post I only refer to the 2006 LC100 lights. It works with this vehicle. As has been mentioned the focal point can change with HID so results may vary with other vehicles.
Also as mentioned at 5000k when looking directly at the light it appears slightly blue. When sitting in the driver's
seat and looking at the same light shining on the road it appears white. This is the same effect as a camera flash which is 5500k. They look blue to those getting their photo taken but the printed photo is correctly balanced for the equivilent of daylight.
The main reason for my original post is to advise my recommendations based on my experience. I recommend 5000k and below as I personally thought 6000k to be too blue. Most sellers recommend 6000k and also offer 8000k, 10000k & 12000k. These lights are ridiculously too blue / purple.
Topend
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Follow Up By: Member QLD Steve & Lorraine Mc - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 08:23
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 08:23
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well informed post I think, it gave me the info I have looking for about HIDs & like you have said its all in the adjustment.
Many Thanks Steve
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Reply By: uneekwahn - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 11:11
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 11:11
I have put after market HID kits in all of my cars. I've had them in a Nissan Skyline, a Holden Commodore and a Nissan Patrol GU.
Only once have I ever been flashed by an oncoming driver, when I first got the HIDs in the Skyline, which was about 3 years ago and after market HIDs weren't all that common.
If you are going to get a HID kit, personally I would get one with a separate ballast and igniter, as the new HID kits on the market which have the ballast and igniter built in, don't seem as
bright.
One brand to look for is IPF, they are a
well-known brand and my last kit (with the ballast and igniter built in, unfortunately) was only $150. These are genuine xenon HID kits.
HIDs all the way!
Jason.
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 20:12
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 20:12
Unique one, are you talking about the IPF "FAT BOY" globes?
On the box they are marked HID but I can assure you they are not even close!
Sure, they're good globes, I have them myself in a GU Patrol, but real HID is a completely different thing, and the IPF HID kit is much more expensive.
HID ballast is not "built in", it is a completely seperate piece of equipment about the size of a pack of cigarettes, and there is one for each globe. This "ballast" is mounted under the bonnet or under the bull bar and cannot, I repeat, cannot be built in to the globe.
Cheers,
MUZZ
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Follow Up By: uneekwahn - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 21:32
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 21:32
Muzz,
I'm talking about the IPF HID kit which has the ballast and igniter built in to a small casing attached to the end of the globe.
Ballast can be built into a small section at the end of the globe, I repeat, CAN be built into the end of the globe.
See this image:
http://www.automotivelightingusa.com/images/large/IPF-XX45_LRG.jpg
The globe (the blue glass thing on the left) is attached to a black thingy (the ballast) which then has wires coming out of it which are then plugged into your standard headlight connection.
I have this kit, albeit at a higher kelvin rating, in my Patrol and they are HID, not just misleading "HID" globes.
The kit I purchased was $150 (as stated above) and it is for a set of DUAL BEAM HIDs.
Jason.
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Follow Up By: taize - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 22:04
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 22:04
uneekwahn,
someone has pulled the wool over your eyes unfortunately. Below is the description of the globes you posted the link for from the site you posted ( Site Link
You will note that they specifically say the globes are "IPF halogen bulbs"
Sorry - but in this case you are mistaken- they are not High Intensity Discharge globes.
Product Description
Bulb Type: H4
Sold As: Twin Pack [Pair]
Wattage [draw]: 60/80
Wattage [output]: 125/165
Color: Titan White
Color Temp: 4800K
Warranty: 90 Days
IPF XXX Bulbs will turn the night into day. The TITAN WHITE is the newest coating on the market and will set your car apart from the crowd. IPF halogen bulbs are manufactured with top quality materials, and feature a 90 day warranty. Made in Japan.
IPF XXX Bulbs include:
- 2 IPF X Bulbs
- Bulb point grease for a more even resistance.
- 2 Heavy Duty Wiring Harnesses
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Follow Up By: Olcoolone (SA) - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:01
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:01
It is really really unbelivable how many people think they have HIDs and they argue all day long about it.
They are proberly worth $140 a pair....but there
bright!
mmmmmm
Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:29
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:29
Yeah they're very similar to the ones I have, and although it states HID on the box I know damn
well they aren't. If you look on Ebay you will find hundreds of pairs of globes advertised as HID, but one look at the pack and you know they're not.
Yes the IPF are good globes. They are my third attempt to get better lighting out of the Patrol headlights without going to HID.
I thought 160 bucks was a bit much for two automotive halogen globes, but I had heard good things about them on this site.
These are fake HID, and there are hundreds more. Site Link
And these are real HID. Site Link
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, May 21, 2007 at 11:04
Monday, May 21, 2007 at 11:04
If it is rated at more than 60 watts per bulb then you can be sure it ISN'T HID - HID draws 35 watts per bulb typically.
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