HID kits - My experience and recommendations
Submitted: Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 08:56
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Topend
Hi there,
When I purchased my brand new LC100 in October last year I decided to try the HID kits available on ebay. I did a lot of online research but getting all the answers on choosing colour temp etc is not easy.
A word of warning, fitting a HID kit to the low beam is illegal. Having said that in my experience and testing the HID kits do work effectively on a LC100 low beam and they do not dazzle on coming drivers 99% of the time (I have never been high beamed by another driver). I can't speak for other vehicle's lights. The cut off on low beam is less pronounced then with the halogen globe but it is still there. The only time when there is a risk of dazzling an on coming vehicle is when driving over the crest of a steep
hill. Generally a crest this pronounced only occurs in a suburban street and not on a highway or major road. This is cause simply by the brightness of the HID light and the light shining high as you crest the
hill. The same effect does occur with the halogen light, but is less blinding due to less brightness.
On low beam the HID improves the spead of light to the sides, improves the distance of the light (limited by correct hieght adjustment) and of course it is brighter.
On high beam there is a big improvement on distance and spead, it is brighter and the light is very evenly distributed along and across the road (no hot spots). The only down side is when high beam is first selected is take a couple of seconds for the HID globe to warm up to achieve full bightness. Once full brightness is achieved the high beam can be dipped and reselected (so long as they are not left dipped for too long) without a delay in brightness. This is not a problem with low beam on a LC100 as once the low beam is on it stays on (seperate low & high beam bulbs).
The hardest decision to make when buying a kit is choosing the best colour temp. Most sellers recommend 6000k (daylight is 5500k). I followed this advise and found them to be noticably blue in colour. This takes a bit of getting use to. I have since changed to 5000k (after 6 months with 6000k)and find this a more natural colour that appears white. By comparision a halogen globe appears warm (orange/yellow at about 3700k - 4300k).
I am so happy with the results that I have now purchased a set of Lightforce XGT lights and am in the process of converting them to 5000k HID (H3 kit). This is a bit of a luxury as I don't really need spotties because the performance of the HID vehicle lights is very good. A 35 watt HID kit has 2.5 - 3 times the brightness of standard headlight halogen globes.
This is my experience with HID kits and I am only posting so others can benifit from my experience. Kits cost about $159 on ebay now (H4 with HID low & high are about $259). Just purchase with a reputable seller.
Cheers,
Topend.
Reply By: KiwiAngler - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 09:15
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 09:15
Again - just a comment aimed at assiting
Be aware of the effect HID's have if you have had a substantial body lift, especially in urban setting when you pull up behind a car (even worse if it is a low rider) say at the lights or similar.
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Reply By: kktdw - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:27
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:27
Topend
Thanks for your very helpful post.
I have LC100 2001 and am interetsed in converting the high beams to HID - is this what you have done? Which kit did you install from ebay?
Also, I have a set of IPF HIR spot lights and would happily convert these to HID if there is a benefit and it is possible. What is involved in converting the IPF HIR lights to HID?
Regards
kktdw
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Follow Up By: Topend - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:13
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:13
The 2001 LC100 have the same globes as
mine - 9005 & 9006 (HB3 & HB4). I purchased from Oz Seller. Look him up on ebay and ask him any questions about your needs. He's quick to reply.
Topend
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:33
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:33
Low Beam HID is illegal and anything higher than 4300K too ...
hope you get caught and fined before I run into you in the dark ..
good luck
gmd
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Follow Up By: jeffwa - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:39
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:39
I pass cops almost everyday as I do 100ks of a popular tourist section of highway. I always have my lights on (90w Low / 100w High HID) and I have never been stopped or questioned about them.
With the right conifguration and use the average oncoming vehicle would never know you had them. As I said, my wife's stock standard BA Falcon blinds you more than the surf and it's only running halogen with fandangle reflectors.
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Follow Up By: taize - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 15:23
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 15:23
You are wrong. Low beam HIDs are legal as long as you have washers and auto-levelers. Most of the high end vehicles have HIDs and they are not illegal.
Just because you disagree with someone why do you have to resort to threats? Put you point of view and leave it at that. Its so easy to hide behind an anonymous internet user name and make accusations and threats.....
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Reply By: Rock Ape - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:57
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:57
Alot of the problems with lights are in the adjustment.
You will know if you come across me and your lights burn my eyeballs and that goes for all those running fog lights when they don't have to.
I carry a hand held spot that sorts the problem out
The Ape
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 20:49
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 20:49
'I carry a hand held spot that sorts the problem out '
that's intelligent. Blind the person so he can run into you.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 19:52
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 19:52
Yeah, he'd look pretty funny trying to pull that light out of his arse!
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Follow Up By: Rock Ape - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 20:23
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 20:23
Yep, gunna tell you that I do 60% of my driving at night. I leave people alone untill they annoy me.
They are the ones, when you give them a reminder they are on high beam with aftermarket lts, they hit you with their high beam "after market lights" that are not legal.
Well guess why, they blind other drivers.
I have never beeen politically correct so I just do the same.
An eye for an eye, as the saying goes.
As for the placement of the light, you can run but you can't hide
The Ape
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Reply By: taize - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:58
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 12:58
HID's are great but I would be careful of the cheap ebay kits. I've read a number of reports of them damaging a car's electrics due to RF interference and bad components. Personally I would go with a xenonoz kit as they been developed and supported locally rather than some importer who does not care what happens once the kids are sold. Here is a link to a story of what can happen with cheap kits Site Link
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Follow Up By: Rock Ape - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 15:11
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 15:11
Thanks for info, would make you shy off before buying cheap HID's.
The Ape
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 19:55
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 19:55
Yeah, but also beware of stories put up by the guy who runs xenonoz so he can try and justify why everyone else's prices are coming down but his prices are still outa this world.
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Follow Up By: taize - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 20:38
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 20:38
Muzzgit,
You've sparked my interest - what sort of stories are you referring to?
Kym
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:11
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:11
Just go to his website!
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Follow Up By: taize - Monday, May 21, 2007 at 07:02
Monday, May 21, 2007 at 07:02
Call me blind but I'm still not sure what you are referring to. Were exactly are the lies?
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Monday, May 21, 2007 at 21:10
Monday, May 21, 2007 at 21:10
Lies? did I say lies?
mmmm, maybe the website has changed, I recall seeing stories of what happens if you buy someone elses product.
Maybe I was dreaming!
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Reply By: revhead307 - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 15:40
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 15:40
Interesting how something like
bright lights evokes more negative and harsh responses than virtually any other subject. (eg generators)
In the past I have often used 130/90 or 110/90 globes in my headlights. Correctly adjusted i was never flashed or had issues with other drivers. Visibility is an important thing.
I do country Km's not city driving. More painful are the people who refuse (or constantly forget) to dip highbeam or turn off spotties.
Im always courteous of other road users. I would love to get hold of some HID's in the future.
Regards
Jeff
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 19:34
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 19:34
I can attest to the quality and after-sales service that you will get from Frank at Xenonoz. You pay once and enjoy the experience of excellent lighting.............
Cheers
Roachie
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Reply By: Topend - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 21:20
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 21:20
There appears to be some passionate negative responses to HID lights. Some responses were removed because of the language. All I can say is I dislike being blinded as much as the next guy. Fog lights are a good example.
Properly adjusted HID lights are not the cause. Low beam lights adjusted too high blind oncoming drivers.
I guarantee my lights do not blind other drivers. They are properley adjusted (even with the boat on) and are kept clean.
Topend
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Reply By: Olcoolone (SA) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 21:30
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 21:30
It is not illegal to have headlight globes that are higher then 4300k, it is just a kelvin rating of the light in the light spectrium and not the brightness.
Most globe makers put out lights that are ADR approved, Phillips call them crystal blue that are 6000k rated.
The higher you go in K rating the darker the light.
1000k red
2000k
orange
2900k (older vehicles with non halogen lights)
3000k yellow
3400k (close to standard halogen light colour)
4000k white
4100k pure white
4300k (close to +50% halogen globes)
5000k light blue
6000k blue
8000k light purple
10000k purple
This is only a rough guild.
You get about 30% less distance vision using 6000k globes than you would if you used 4000k globes.
This does not change if it is HID or standard filiment globes.
If you used a 100w 6000k globe in a light you would get the same visual distance as a 60w 3400k globe would
Anything over 4500k will dazzle on comming drivers because the human eye can not adjust the that colour spectuim or above very
well and as you get older the colour rating goes down....so when you are 20 years old your eyes will adjust to 4500k very quickly but if you were 60 years old you may find at 4500k your eyes are very slow to adjust.
This is why older people get realy P@#SED OFF and say that those lights are to
bright or are aimed incorrectly when the truth off the matter is there is nothing wrong with the lights it just the older persons eyes.
The only thing to be careful of is reflectors in filiment globed lenses have a differant focal point and distrubution of light if you convert over to HIDs.
The reason HID lights have greater light out put is in a filiment globe the filiment is what generates the light output and has such a small surface area whereby HID uses ignited gas that burns over a larger surface area.
You can put HID lights in any car aslong as it has a self leveling function and headlight washers that is very expensive and near impossable.
We use and only recondmend the Phillips HID kits, we have Hella Rallye 4000s with HID kits fitted.
Regards Richard
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Reply By: Olcoolone (SA) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 21:35
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 21:35
It is not illegal to have headlight globes that are higher then 4300k, it is just a kelvin rating of the light in the light spectrium and not the brightness.
OPPs should of read....
It is not illegal to have headlight globes that are higher then 4300k, it is just a kelvin rating of the light colour output in the colour spectrium and not the brightness.
Sure other people will not agree.
Regards Richard
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Reply By: awill4x4 - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 22:15
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 22:15
I think a few of you guys are getting way off track. The original post is talking about HID or High Intensity Discharge lighting which is completely different different to simply changing to the so called "HID Look" replacement Halogen/Xenon bulbs.
On a true HID high/low beam arrangement the actual light output doesn't even change, on low beam only one half of the reflector is used and when high beam is flicked on there is slider arrangement around the bulb which slides out of the way to enable the full reflector to be used.
Don't try to compare the HID Look bulbs with true HID there is simply no comparison, the true HID wins hands down every time.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Olcoolone (SA) - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 22:28
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 22:28
This is a real problem, so many after market globe makers print on the box HID, that is wrong or people see a blueish light and they call it HID.
You see it on Ebay all the time.
Once you have used HIDs there is no going back.
It takes us about 1/2 hour to explaine to customers the differances and the colour output and lighting types.
There is a lot of technical reasons why and how lights work, the best on is why is it in my 4X4 I only get 12 months out of my 90/100w globes when before with the standard globes I would get 3 years.
You could keep on writing for days on this subject.....people do not understand lighting very
well.....so many think they do thou.
Regards Richard
I dont know why this post got of track.
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Reply By: rbt - Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 23:38
Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 23:38
people should learn lighting is a matter of ambience & contrast & recovery time
it doesnt matter how "old" you are when recovering from flash-blindness, your still recovering!
improperly focused lights or not, if some low-beam lights goes around 2.5 - 3 times "brighter" then they simply put "do more harm!"
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Reply By: Olcoolone (SA) - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 00:39
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 00:39
If you toke the time to read my post correctly it was not about wrongly adjusted lights!
You may belive what ever you want.
I think every one knows there are vehicles getting around with lights that are not adjusted correctly and when was the last time yours were checked.
Correctly adjusted lights no matter what wattage will NOT dazzle on coming drivers.
And can you please explain "people should learn lighting is a matter of ambience & contrast & recovery time" .....maybe Im missing something.
If I insulted you with my post I am sorry.
Someone asked a good question and I replied with a sensiable technical answer,perhaps next time you may like to answer it first instead of getting your back up and picking on such a small part of my answer.
I looking forward to you response.
Richard
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Reply By: Topend - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 07:22
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 07:22
Just as a matter of interest, I drove down to a quiet dark road to adjust my lights 10 or 12 times to ensure they were adjusted correctly. Both my old 2001 LC100 and my current 2006 LC100 were adjusted too high (with halogen or HID) from the factory.
If I load up the vehicle or hitch on the boat I turn the adjustment (after a lot of testing) half a turn to compensate.
I am serious about not dazzling / blinding other drivers.
In my original post I only refer to the 2006 LC100 lights. It works with this vehicle. As has been mentioned the focal point can change with HID so results may vary with other vehicles.
Also as mentioned at 5000k when looking directly at the light it appears slightly blue. When sitting in the driver's
seat and looking at the same light shining on the road it appears white. This is the same effect as a camera flash which is 5500k. They look blue to those getting their photo taken but the printed photo is correctly balanced for the equivilent of daylight.
The main reason for my original post is to advise my recommendations based on my experience. I recommend 5000k and below as I personally thought 6000k to be too blue. Most sellers recommend 6000k and also offer 8000k, 10000k & 12000k. These lights are ridiculously too blue / purple.
Topend
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Follow Up By: Member QLD Steve & Lorraine Mc - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 08:23
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 08:23
Topend
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well informed post I think, it gave me the info I have looking for about HIDs & like you have said its all in the adjustment.
Many Thanks Steve
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Reply By: uneekwahn - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 11:11
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 11:11
I have put after market HID kits in all of my cars. I've had them in a Nissan Skyline, a Holden Commodore and a Nissan Patrol GU.
Only once have I ever been flashed by an oncoming driver, when I first got the HIDs in the Skyline, which was about 3 years ago and after market HIDs weren't all that common.
If you are going to get a HID kit, personally I would get one with a separate ballast and igniter, as the new HID kits on the market which have the ballast and igniter built in, don't seem as
bright.
One brand to look for is IPF, they are a
well-known brand and my last kit (with the ballast and igniter built in, unfortunately) was only $150. These are genuine xenon HID kits.
HIDs all the way!
Jason.
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 20:12
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 20:12
Unique one, are you talking about the IPF "FAT BOY" globes?
On the box they are marked HID but I can assure you they are not even close!
Sure, they're good globes, I have them myself in a GU Patrol, but real HID is a completely different thing, and the IPF HID kit is much more expensive.
HID ballast is not "built in", it is a completely seperate piece of equipment about the size of a pack of cigarettes, and there is one for each globe. This "ballast" is mounted under the bonnet or under the bull bar and cannot, I repeat, cannot be built in to the globe.
Cheers,
MUZZ
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Follow Up By: uneekwahn - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 21:32
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 21:32
Muzz,
I'm talking about the IPF HID kit which has the ballast and igniter built in to a small casing attached to the end of the globe.
Ballast can be built into a small section at the end of the globe, I repeat, CAN be built into the end of the globe.
See this image:
http://www.automotivelightingusa.com/images/large/IPF-XX45_LRG.jpg
The globe (the blue glass thing on the left) is attached to a black thingy (the ballast) which then has wires coming out of it which are then plugged into your standard headlight connection.
I have this kit, albeit at a higher kelvin rating, in my Patrol and they are HID, not just misleading "HID" globes.
The kit I purchased was $150 (as stated above) and it is for a set of DUAL BEAM HIDs.
Jason.
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Follow Up By: taize - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 22:04
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 22:04
uneekwahn,
someone has pulled the wool over your eyes unfortunately. Below is the description of the globes you posted the link for from the site you posted ( Site Link
You will note that they specifically say the globes are "IPF halogen bulbs"
Sorry - but in this case you are mistaken- they are not High Intensity Discharge globes.
Product Description
Bulb Type: H4
Sold As: Twin Pack [Pair]
Wattage [draw]: 60/80
Wattage [output]: 125/165
Color: Titan White
Color Temp: 4800K
Warranty: 90 Days
IPF XXX Bulbs will turn the night into day. The TITAN WHITE is the newest coating on the market and will set your car apart from the crowd. IPF halogen bulbs are manufactured with top quality materials, and feature a 90 day warranty. Made in Japan.
IPF XXX Bulbs include:
- 2 IPF X Bulbs
- Bulb point grease for a more even resistance.
- 2 Heavy Duty Wiring Harnesses
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Follow Up By: Olcoolone (SA) - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:01
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:01
It is really really unbelivable how many people think they have HIDs and they argue all day long about it.
They are proberly worth $140 a pair....but there
bright!
mmmmmm
Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:29
Sunday, May 20, 2007 at 23:29
Yeah they're very similar to the ones I have, and although it states HID on the box I know damn well they aren't. If you look on Ebay you will find hundreds of pairs of globes advertised as HID, but one look at the pack and you know they're not.
Yes the IPF are good globes. They are my third attempt to get better lighting out of the Patrol headlights without going to HID.
I thought 160 bucks was a bit much for two automotive halogen globes, but I had heard good things about them on this site.
These are fake HID, and there are hundreds more. Site Link
And these are real HID. Site Link
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, May 21, 2007 at 11:04
Monday, May 21, 2007 at 11:04
If it is rated at more than 60 watts per bulb then you can be sure it ISN'T HID - HID
draws 35 watts per bulb typically.
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