GU PATROL running ruff at idle.
Submitted: Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 09:22
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Gimp35
Hi All,
I own a 2000 3.0 LTD Nissan Patrol with 150,000KM, and I know all about the negative things with these engines, since I've own this one since new and had my fare share. But can any one help me with past experience with the engine running ruff at cold start up and then going away and running fine after 5-10 min.
Vehicle is
well maintained and fuel economy is fine.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Paul
Reply By: Chaz - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 09:35
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 09:35
Paul, the first thing to do is to
check for any stored error codes. I would suspect your EGR valve isn’t closing properly. It should be code 1003.
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Follow Up By: Gimp35 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 11:49
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 11:49
Chaz, their are no error codes, although their could still be a problem cause when their was an issue with the air-flow sensor their was also no codes coming up.
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Follow Up By: hl - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 15:24
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 15:24
Actually, the EGR valve is open at idle (only in a diesel)
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 17:47
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 17:47
hl,
I thought that was the case also, but only after warm up.
My
Gregory’s manual says “The amount of gas recirculated depends on the temperature of the coolant in the engine. When the engine is cold, idling or during full throttle operation no exhaust gas recirculation takes place.” Page 115 Emission Control.
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 17:53
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 17:53
Paul, It depends on the problem. If you disconnect the EGR at the plug, you will get a code due to electrical malfunction, but if it just can’t completely close and leaks due to a build up of carbon, you may not.
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Follow Up By: hl - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 18:08
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 18:08
Chaz,
The
Gregory's is actually not correct in that instance. I think they just did a cut and paste from a petrol engine emission control description. Diesels (including the ZD30), definitely keep that valve open during idle (except when the engine is cold).
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 18:20
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 18:20
hl,
Ok, then I’ll take your word on that, but Paul did say the engine ran rough when cold.
The fact that it’s stepper motor controlled, should indicate that there are various stages of open and shut, so perhaps this could be part of the problem.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: DMH122 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 19:57
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 19:57
G'day before doing anything how about checking the glow plugs.
Cheers. Grant.
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Follow Up By: Gimp35 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:01
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:01
So buy blocking the EGR with a plate will not work if it should be open during idle for a diesel. Is their any way of testing.
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Follow Up By: DMH122 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:11
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:11
Gimp35, I dont want to get involved in the EGR part, I am just suggesting that maybe get the glow plugs checked first, if you have just 1 faulty plug it can cause probs, is it hard to start.
Grant.
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Follow Up By: Gimp35 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:32
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 20:32
Thanks Grant all info appreciated and taken on board, although hard to start is not the problem it's running rough first cold start. Paul
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Follow Up By: hl - Monday, May 28, 2007 at 06:40
Monday, May 28, 2007 at 06:40
The easiest way to
check for a stuck open EGR valve is to put your hand on the pipe, where it enters the head after the engine is first started. It should stay cool for quite a while.
Cheers
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Reply By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 09:54
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 09:54
Make a plate up and block the egr at the alloy pipe where it enters the inlet manifold as its easy to get to and then see how it is for a few days.
EGR valves are starting to become readily available from aftermarket suppliers lately as I received a flyer at my workshop last week. At least this will save some money for people.
120scruiser
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Reply By: hiab - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 22:23
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 22:23
you are now in the danger zone with this engine, 150.000 ks. we have had 5 in the last three months in the workshop, all between 145.000 and 170.000 ks. all destroyed, last one a valve broke off and put a hole in the piston and pieces found their way down the side of the
bore . on inspection every piston was cracked, and the head had 4 cracks in it. these and the 2.8 are just simply bad engines. dont care what the rest say, i see it all the time.
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Follow Up By: Gimp35 - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 22:30
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 22:30
All bad engines or just the early ones, buy the amount of K's your talking sounds like the earlier ones.
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Reply By: hiab - Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 23:35
Sunday, May 27, 2007 at 23:35
the newer ones will have the same probs. at the same ks. nissan has not addressed the problem. big heavy car, small high revving motor, not up to the job. and the gearbox is not the same as the 4.2, so look for trouble there as
well. best advice, make sure you change the timing belt before it is due. they can go at anytime. 100.000ks is recommended for timing belts, but with these motors, do it at 70.000 or 80.000 ks. dont tow big loads, and dont rev the poor bugger too hard. i know its hard to do as the turbo boosts at higher revs than others. just bad engines.
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Follow Up By: hl - Monday, May 28, 2007 at 06:37
Monday, May 28, 2007 at 06:37
There is no timing belt in the 3.0l.!
Cheers
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