Getting spare wheels on/off roof racks
Submitted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 20:25
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RedGibber
Hi all,
As per the subject, what do you folks use to get your wheels up/down from your roofracks? (
Mine has a ladder).
I've being looking at a few alternatives i.e. small ratchet
winches but it seems that in this modern age you can't get hold of a ratchet up/ratchet down winch???
Maybe I haven't looked around enough yet.........
Any ideas would be gratefully received!!
Cheers
Red
Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 20:35
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 20:35
I got rid of my roof rack just because of that!!! Pulled muscles putting the buggers up there. Drop 'em off the rack and they could get away from you...lol
One spare is carried on the trailer and thats it!!! Six wheels and 2 spares.
I am sure you will get some good advice. Member Roachie has a unique system which works with a very small winch to lift the tyres up and down off the back of his monster truck.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: growler - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 20:41
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 20:41
Have someone give you a hand ?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 20:58
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 20:58
Onbly if a helping hand is available at the time. Its not for me but for RedGibber
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:02
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:02
Thanks Willie,
Yes my system incorporates a 2000lb electric winch (about $100- off ebay). However, I'm only lifting the tyres (35") up about 6' off the ground and onto the wheel carriers on the back of the box on my truck.
To use a similar system to get the wheel/tyre onto a roof rack would involve a bit of extra engineering.
I'm envisaging attaching the winch to one side of the roof rack (let's say the driver's side). Then you'd attach your ladder to the passenger's side. It'd need to be able to pivot on the top railing of the roof rack. You'd need to have a support for the tyre to rest on at the bottom of the ladder. The winch cable would go across the top of the rack, and down to the wheel/ladder position. You'd operate the leccy winch which would gradually raise the ladder (and wheel) to a position a bit more than horizontal. (You'd be operating the winch from up on the roofrack). Once the ladder was at the dessired position, you would would be able to slide the wheel towards you and onto the rack.
The ladder would need to be strong enough to be used in this manner of course, as would the roof rack railings etc. I'm envisaging an ARB rack or similar and a steel ladder with "feet" at the bottom for the tyre to rest upon.
Hope you get the idea?? haha
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Reply By: RedGibber - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:04
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:04
Thanks Willem!!
Yeah, I know...but I'm still trying to pretend I'm 20yrs younger!! Apart from which, I have a need to carry two different sized wheels coz the wagon has 16s and the 'van has 15s. Already have a spare for each carried on wagon and 'van but want (have) the extra backup for both.
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Reply By: Member - jdwynn (SA) - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:06
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:06
Red
Dare I say it, do a search, I remember a previous post on this.
I just roll spare up and down rear of truck with doors open - have high custom draw unit and push against that when rolling. ok but not great - but never had to take it off in bush and really that's the key (2nd spare there just in case).
An elaborate frame/winch might concentrate too much load in 1 spot and damage roof - not hard with Patrol gutters in my case.
JD
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:11
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:11
Pajero is not too high, so lift it up in stages.
1. onto my knees
2. to chest height
3. Up and slide it over the edge of the roof rack.
tyres are 235/85/16 10 plies, so not as heavy as a 265 or 285/75/16.
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Reply By: RedGibber - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:15
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:15
Thanks Roachie,
That's the info I was lookin' for!!
I had already sussed the idea of using a small leccy winch, and I have the wherewithall i.e. bits and pieces to winch from over rack, up ladde etc. to make it work!!!
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Reply By: Member - Mal W (NSW) - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:30
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:30
Redgibber,
I only have narrow tyres on spilt rims but I get
mine up to the top of a troopy by a rope starting tied off on roof rack, down through the wheel and back to roof rack. Then standing on roof rack, haul away sliding the tyre up the ladder, preferably with someone lifting from the ground. When it gets almost to the top, system stops working so tie off rope and then just roll it over onto rack. Can reverse the procedure for getting it down or simply chuck it off and then go fetch it from wherever it finished up. Good fun.
Mal
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 00:13
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 00:13
Hi Mal and others,
The biggest problem with just chucking them off is not so much fetching it from where it stops but not getting the chuck right.
Did it once from a rack on top of a series 3 Landrover van, got it wrong and the tyre bounced back and put a bloody big dent into the side of the Rover. Bugger
Don't like tyre and rim assy's on roofracks, usually pretty heavy and as every one says too hard to manhandle down. No easy cheap solution.
Disco
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Reply By: hoyks - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:50
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 21:50
Deija vu.
How about a small A frame that will lay flat under the tyre. When you want the wheel you could lift the A frame so it hangs off the side of the vehicle at around 45°, restrained by a cable, and the wheel can be lowered by a rope and pulley.
If the A is restrained, you could even route the rope so it pulls the A flat when the tyre gets up there, save having it smack you in the head while trying to hold it with one hand and push it into place with the other.
2 or 3 small pullies and around 6-8 m of rope shouldn’t break the bank.
You just need to work out how the rest will work.
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Reply By: hiab - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 22:11
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 22:11
muscle power. or dont put them on the rack, get a double kaymar put them on the trailer, but mucking around with some sort of winch system, or ratchets? time. i suppose i am lucky, being 190 cm and 120 kgs, i can get them up and down no probs. others cant, but how did they get them up there ?
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Reply By: Member - Fizz (NSW) - Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 22:31
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 22:31
Tie a rope or strap onto the wheel. Lean it against the ladder. Get up onto the roof rack yourself and gradually haul the tyre up with it still leaning against the ladder. Easier than lifting it up while still on the ground - IMO.
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy (SA) - Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 01:31
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 01:31
Have you thought about getting the same wheels on the caravan and the car? That way you can simply carry an extra one on your van somewhere. Other than that a double wheel carrier on the rear bumper bar would be another option.
How about the old Land Rover method of having the spare on the bonet? Reinforce the bonet and put a bracket on it.
How about having the tyre sliding up the side of the ladder, with a pulley system using a snatch block over the other side of the car?
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Reply By: Member - John L G - Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 11:17
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 11:17
I simply thread some reasonable diameter rope, of the 12-14mm braided soapy feel variety, through the centre of the rim and tie one end to the top bar of the roof rack. then standing on the rack just pull via the free end and the tyre/rim comes up a treat at about half its initial weight.
Used to be able to chuck them up there when I was a bit younger but they seem to making wheels and tyres a lot heavier these days...LOL..:-)
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Reply By: RedGibber - Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 21:07
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 21:07
Mal W and
John L G,
Thanks guys, why didn't I think of that? ;-)
Cheers
Red
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Reply By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Thursday, May 31, 2007 at 08:23
Thursday, May 31, 2007 at 08:23
Hi All
Been thinking about the same problem,
I intend putting an Innovan slide on,on a traytop, biggest problem with that is where to carry two spares,
either underneath tray, problem with access and increased height.
On a roof rack, how do you get it up there if you are on your own, also increased wind resistance.
Or the possibility of getting a rear carrier made fixed somehow onto the chassis, problems there with weight and length over back axle.
Reading these posts have given me an idea, further to using a slippery rope improve the principle by increasing the purchase to a triple purchase by using a double and a single block and a suitable length of rope.
With the double block hooked to the far side of the roof rack and the single block hooked to the centre of the rim in theory you should be able to guide the spare up as you pull the rope into a position to be able to push the the spare onto the rack.
Russ
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