How to build a stainless water tank and baffles
Submitted: Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:14
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Member - G N (VIC)
Hi all
I am going to have a bash at making my own under vehicle stainless
water tank and wondering what wall thickness to use plus how to do the baffles?
I was told once that stainless is very prone to stress cracks when it has liquid sloping around in it and the baffles should be angled at the end to diffuse the impact of the water. Is this real or over the top?
Plus if you weld it together with a mig, how do you passify the tank inside?
Regards GN
Reply By: Scoof - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:05
Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:05
Hi G N
Make it so you fit the lid (top ) last that way you can passivate 90% of the inside.
What thickness material did you have in mind.
I would use 1.6 or 2mm.
Baffles every 250mm or so. Grade 316 would be the best.
When mounting the tank if you can mount it with straps with rubber under the straps.Don't weld brackets of the side S/S really dos'nt like vibration.
Scoof. :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 21:15
Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 21:15
Good info sccof
Especially the straps and mounts. I haddent thought of that and was thinking how do i mount when not heavy walled? should of thought of that myself, especially when i had fuel tank out just recently.
thanks GN
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Reply By: Tony - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 15:42
Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 15:42
Have folded ends, as it gives a lot better welding surface than butt welding.
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Reply By: kev.h - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:44
Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:44
Hi G N
The angled end on the baffles is more to stop the baffles from cracking the tank it allows them to move slightly and also the tank to flex.
We always bend the baffles with a 30mm return on both ends then weld the cut edge to the side of the tank this allows the tank to move without undue stress on the weld which is where the cracks start
Kev
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 21:24
Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 21:24
Hi Kev
so am i getting this right? that you only weld the baffles to the tank sides and no where else?
What thickness are the baffles?
If you do only weld to the sides would that allow enough baffle movement / flex then to end up causing the baffles to stress fracture near the side / fold?
regards GN
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Follow Up By: kev.h - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:09
Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:09
Hi G.N.
Sorry my fault the 30mm fold should be on all sides with the corners cut off at 45 deg. to allow for openings for the fluid to pass then both sides and the bottom are welded with 20mm long welds and 100mm gap the baffle is usually 5 - 10mm shorter than the tank depth so they don't interfere when the top is fitted
Kev
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Follow Up By: Member - jeff M (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 20:02
Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 20:02
Hi Kev
Yeh that is the way we do it to.No corner to corner welds or fillet welds all lap welds.
Cheers Scoof. :-)
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 20:24
Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 20:24
Hi GN, I can send you a couple of pics of the one I made for my hilux to give you an idea. Send me your email adress and I will send some pics to you. Have also sent you a member email if you dont want to put your email adress on here for all to see you can reply via that. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Graeme W (QLD) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 20:52
Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 20:52
Hi Vic.
I built St/St tanks for my camper. I am a Tafe Boilermaker/Welding teacher. The 1st tank was welded by TIG, and was not passivated, had baffles, and had a bilge pump inside. Turned out to be too small, and the design would not let me flush it out when required. But otherwise was solid and strong and made from .8mm sheet. The second tank was made from the same thickness but was folded, riveted and with food grade silicon to seal it. Going great and is 5 yr old and has travelled over 4000kms on desert roads, and about 25000kms allup. St/St is much tougher than Mild steel so it does not have to be thick at all. Any more questions, send one.
Graeme.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 21:28
Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 21:28
High G
very interesting design
.8mm seems thin but i guess its working.
lighter is always a good thing
what are the tank dimensions?
how did you set up the baffles? what thickness are they?
how did you mount the tank?
whats important in setting up the tank to allow flushing of it?
look forward to hearing your thoughts GN
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Follow Up By: Ron George - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 22:26
Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 22:26
GN, mate 10 points for enthusiasm, was just wondering do you have any S/S welding experience & what sort of welder do you have? I`m thinking it`s not the sort of project that can be completed successfully without a certain degree of know how & experience, but good luck anyway, hope it all goes
well for you.
Cheers Ron.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 08:34
Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 08:34
Hi Ron
I do agree and i am probably at the bottem end of knoledge for this project. I have a 3 phase mig as
well as a little inverter stick welder which we use both for welding stainless irrigation fittings quite a bit that run up to 115 psi, and has been ok so far. But am only self taught. I asked one engineer and he quoted $1000 to just make the tank plus mounting fees!!!!!!!!!!!!! So i will give it a go (have seen some far worse building skills sometimes come from so called profesionals than our old shed at times also.
Regards GN
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Follow Up By: Scoof - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 09:30
Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 09:30
G N
If you intend to weld this tank up with a mig I suggest you don't use 0.8 material if your not a welder by trade or have a bit of experience.That is why I suggested 1.6 or 2.0mm.I make S/S tanks for a living and would never even think of using 0.8 but it's up to you.
I would never use anything less than 1.2mm material.
I have repaired so many S/S tanks over the years.Most of the trouble is material thickness and poor fitting brackets and bracket welded to the side of the tank's which have fractured.
Cheers Scoof . :-)
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Follow Up By: Ron George - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 11:36
Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 11:36
GN, mate I`d say go for it... that 1000 bill quote would be more than enough incentive... Just bear in mind what Scoof has said, a little extra weight is a small sacrifice for longevity, good luck & lets know how she turns out. Cheers Ron.
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Reply By: Member - Graeme W (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 20:27
Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 20:27
Hi Vic.
My tank dimensions are approx 900 wide x 300 high x 400 front to back. 2 Baffles across width equally spread and 10mm gap top and bottom. Inlet at top part of front edge into a welded boss, and then a hose to the fixed pump inside. The pump is bolted to a welded base plate inside the bottom. I get about 5mm of water left in tank when empty, but with the outlet (for flushing) fitted as close to the bottom edge at rear on a boss. All welding done with TIG, and all baffles and tank parts riveted and siliconed. The tank is supported by straps ( 50mm wide with folded .8mm) and with rubber between tank and straps. Have placed folded 1.6mm Mild steel sheeting in front and underneath. The tank is supported rather than welded to.
Hope this helps, keep sending questions if needed.
Graeme
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Reply By: Member - Graeme W (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 20:32
Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 20:32
Hi Vic.
That is the 1.6mm sheet is for protection from rocks etc. It has never had problems, but whatever your design, as the other guys say, a little thicker is better. Depending on your skills, and innovation, you will design a bit and build on the run a bit. I finally chose to rivet
mine as it did not distort from welding and I could dissassemble it for cleaning or repairs to the pump when that might arise.
Cheers Graeme.
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