Latest Pajero - Any problems?

Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 18:33
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Howdy all,

I am thinking of purchasing a new Pajero (Petrol and then converted to LPG).
It will be used to tow a 1850kg caravan. I prefer no to have diesel.

Do they have any problems I should be aware of? Has anyone got one on LPG? If so, what do you think of it. What economy am I likely to get when towing. I would be happy enough with 22 litres of gas per 100km when towing. Is this realistic?

Thanks,
Dave
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Reply By: tryonreef - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 19:13

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 19:13
Hi Dave ,have a look at this Pajero link for your awnser regarding the latest NS model.....Cheers Scott
www.pajeroclub.com.au/home/publicforum/
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Reply By: cruser - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 21:59

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 21:59
hi dave
have read about you considering to buy a prado GXL. A frend just purchsed one 2007 model and discovered that his brakes when he press them they goes down which is normal but insted stoping at certain spot they continoue to travel lower and lower to the floor and the car is harder so stop. As far as i know It should not do that. he took it the service they bleeded the brakes as soon as he drove out it happen again went back spoken to service manager, he explained that GXL models do that and if he dont like it, VX models dont. As far as i know VX have diferent brakes all together. In my openion there is something wrong there. I havent heard back from my mate yet so thats all i know at this moment and i dont know if its one of the kind problem or there is more, so pay attention to it when you go for a test drive. Hope i have been a help

mark
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Follow Up By: Go Fishing - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 22:32

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 22:32
Doesn't happen with mine.

07 Prado D4D GXL auto.
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Follow Up By: lc_120man - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 15:51

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 15:51
Take the prado to good mechanic... My car did it as well 4 visits to Toyota - no change... Went to other mechanic to do the service, without even mentioning the problem - all works as it should be....

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Reply By: Go Fishing - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 22:34

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 22:34
Out of curiosity, why wouldn't you consider diesel, especially all the new CRD's.

Towing & caravan = what diesel's were made for.
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 00:13

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 00:13
Same here....diesel = Cheaper to run better to tow no farting around with gas been there done that yuk!
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:07

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:07
Geeez Guys how do you work out its cheaper to run Diesel. I have just sold a Diesel after doing the maths over a 12 mth period. When towing I used approx 15ltrs per hundred and at the National average price ($1.34) cost $20.10 per hundred K's. I know run Duel Fuel Mitsi, which uses approx 22ltrs per hundred on LPG and at National average price ($0.60) cost $13.20 per hundred. Also most Turbo Diesels hold double the amount of oil and need oil changes at double the rate of ULP/LPG vehicles.

I believe a lot people haven't seen the advances in LPG systems, in case you don't know, they now have their own CPU and own injectors, so fuel consumption isn't as agressive as it used to be and power difference is very minimal.

If we were comparing a old Carby style Petrol fourby with a non variable fuel pumped non turbo diesel I would totally agree with you.

The main advantage I see with a Diesel is the safety if going Real Bush carrying fuel.

I had a truck driver only say to me today, don't I worry about the fire risk with a Petrol vehicle (hot exhaust and all) I then mentioned in my last vehicle (turbo Diesel) the front muffler had gone Blue with heat.

I believe differences between ULP and Diesel vehicles is no where near as seperated as it used to be and with the new gas systems they get the Nod.

Now I will duck for cover, because I know I'm in the minority.
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:10

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:10
Most diesels are 10k service now same as petrol and you also missed the resale factor.
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:49

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:49
Stu-k you also missed the extra price at purchase for a diesel, and my mitsi is every 15k with normal oil and 30k with fuks. I do concede your point at the moment that Diesels are better resale, but how long will that last with the fuel prices continually climbing.
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 19:57

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 19:57
Why is it that I keep hearing of turbo diesels going bang, cracked cylinder heads, Fuel pumps and injectors stuffed from dirty fuel, these problems can easily run into many trhousands of dollars . Yet it is very rare to hear of a petrol blowing up because the combustion chamber pressures are so much lower.
If you are useing your diesel for going to work(short trips) I do not believe they are an economical proposition
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Blaze - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:16

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:16
Dave you will see an answer to a couple of replies and in that I mention I get 22ltrs easily, and thats at about 105kph.

As for problems with the latest Paj. Most of the changes are cosmetic (for the better in my opinion). So all the mechanicals etc are tried and proven and with Mitsi's 5 by 10 year warranty, you can't go wrong. As for the Diesels having more pulling power, yes once up on turbo I agree, but try taking off on a hill with most of the small cub 4 cylinder Turbo diesels fare. I know of a few people with 3ltr Nissans that tow fairly large vans and have to take off in low range and push it up to high at about 10k's per hour. I have a mate that is one of the head mechanics for Catapillar and he is a diesel finatic but says the majority of small bore turbo diesels are similar to 2 stroke motor bikes the way they deliver their power.

Now if you had Roachies Diesel, I can understand the power benefits.
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Follow Up By: Dave - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 09:51

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 09:51
Thanks Blaze,

What Mitsi are you getting 22litres/100km & is this while towing?
Thanks,
Dave
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:54

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:54
Hi Dave,

I drive a 3ltr Challenger and this is generally considered a thirsty motor. My brother has a duel fuel 2004 Paj, I believe its the 3.5 and he gets slightly better, partly I'm sure because his is 5 speed auto and mine only 4 speed. I am told by a few people I know who own 3.8 mitsi's and have owned the 3.5's that the 3.8 is better on fuel, but this is only what I'm told, no personal experience to back it up.

Cheers
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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 07:33

Wednesday, Jun 06, 2007 at 07:33
Hi there... this is something from left field for you.

I went through the exercise of choosing between a new Paj or a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I agonised over the diesel option.. worked out a spreadsheet using average price for diesel here in Brisbane and using the official govt fuel consumption guide. Worked out over 20K per year, the Paj broke even after 4.25 years and the Jeep at around 3.75 for the extra cost for diesel option. Then I went and drove a new Disco to rule it out.. and I bought one. You see I wanted an Exceed and the Disco V6 SE petrol was actually around $6k cheaper.

I didn't even consider the diesel option as LR want $11K for a diesel option. I can buy a lot of fuel with that. It tows our heavy CT really well; and on a recent trip to Longreach and beyond it cruised easily at 120 k on the highway.

The only downside for me is the 3 year v 5 year warranty. The day I bought it, I drove it immediately after testing a Paj over the same hilly brisbane route and the ride quality and NVH is far superior to the Paj. Its off road ability is amazing.. have a couple of mates with LC wagons and they can't believe how easily it literally walks up hills that they struggle on. I guess the paj would be good in this area too.

Good Luck whichever way you go.

Cheers

Mark T
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