Punctured or staked tyres left side rear tyre
Submitted: Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 13:34
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Member - Syd R (QLD)
Why is it so?
I have had 4 incidents with the left side rear tyre on the landcruiser 2 punctures and 2 sidewall penetrations. 2 puntures and 1 sidewall rip on Coopers ATR and sidewall rip on a new Toyo Open Country.
The colourfull owner of the Pink road house at
Oodnadatta said in his blurb he puts out that almost all blowout on the "track" occur in the lefthand side rear tyre.
My question to the
forum is this the experience of others that have travelled far and wide on the dirt.
Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 13:44
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 13:44
Maybe it is because the edge of the road is roughest and the rear tyres are probably carrying the most weight but then again they were mostly Coopers that failed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Syd R (QLD) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 13:54
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 13:54
Thanks Ian . Yeah the guy at a "Tyre outlet" inthe Alice showed me a pile of stuffed Coppers with plenty of treadon them. He said Coppers are not the popular in the centre and he was a judge for the Finke desert race. Reckons that the adverts in the 4wd monthlys are oversell and just don't stand up the claims made.
Cheers
Syd
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 15:49
Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 15:49
You're spot on Ian. One can stick to the clean line all day but when a vehicle comes the other way you have little choice but to pull over & put the left wheels in the rough & with 30%+ more load on the rear they are far more vunerable to being holed. Coincidently my last flat on the
Oodnadatta track was a LHS rear.
Cheers Craig........
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 13:48
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 13:48
Why is it so?
Your not looking for the objects that will cause your problem. Get the Ol' eyes scanning for the larger Rocks / stones, Sticks and roots protruding from the edges etc, If you don't see them you run over them , I know you can't miss every stone but look the bigger ones,
I found that years ago I used to travel at around the 50mph / 80kph and the worst area for me was the
Flinders Ranges , I believe at that speed the front tyre can stand a
rock up and the rear gets it before it lays down again, many time at that speed I would feel the rear tyre grab it, a few more
Miles and it would expire,80kph must be the critical speed to that, I have seen stones about twice the size of Cig Packet but only about the same thickness with a point on top left standing upright in wheel tracks ,.......just waiting for someone like you ...lol
Doug
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Follow Up By: Member - Syd R (QLD) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 13:57
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 13:57
Thanks, Good advice. My dearly beloved said a similar thing. So I will have to take notice!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 15:46
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 15:46
used to have a mate that drove like that and it led to more punctures from swerving all over the
shop and exposing the sidewalls through flex
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 15:49
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 15:49
Davoe
You don't drive the road like Rick Kelly warming the slicks before a race . C'mon mate show a bit nounce now,
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Follow Up By: blue one - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 17:29
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 17:29
Jindalee
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 17:34
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 17:34
blue one
NO
You might notice that I changed the IS to WAS , it stands no more , and was removed some years ago,
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 19:51
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 19:51
Learnmonth or North
West Cape ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 19:59
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 19:59
Footloose
.........................NO
So did you see that Radar at Learnmonth, I think Not
I took the Photo, I was driving a 1962 Holden when I did
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 20:00
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 20:00
Footloose
I will add that the little building it stood on is still standing
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Follow Up By: blue one - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:08
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:08
Wommera
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Follow Up By: blue one - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:10
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:10
Woomera
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:29
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:29
blue one
Nah....
miles out.....COLD...COLD ....COLD
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:33
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:33
Radar at
Carnarvon May 1967
:-(((
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:35
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 21:35
Richard
Yep
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 06:16
Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 06:16
actually yes doug thats exactly what he would do - treat every
rock bigger than a small marble as a slalom
- he managed to wreck at least 3 cars
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 14:13
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 14:13
Quite seriously though I have not had one
puncture and one one small sidewall staking since I changed to BFG A/T. I am now on my third set of BFG's.
I had one set of Coopers and destroyed 3 of 5 on a Canning trip. Never again, not even if they were free. NEVER, NEVER AGAIN.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 14:21
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 14:21
I had the same experience with Coopers & yes, never again!
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Follow Up By: Member - Jiarna (NT) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 19:01
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 19:01
Ditto
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 18:23
Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 18:23
I just realised that the first Cooper I punctured but not destroyed was on the left rear of our then troopie so i suppose the theory is correct.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 18:37
Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 18:37
Ditto Ditto Ditto.....LOL
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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 15:49
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 15:49
I have noticed it is quite common for people to do in the left hand tyres. Comes down to driver error. Most people don't know where their left hand tyres are. Driving around the farm over the years I became well aware where the left trye was other wise was forever changing and fixing tyres.
A method I use to train people is to get them to drive down the road with the left tyre driving on the edge white line. much easier now there are a lot of rumble strips on the highways.
Neil
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 15:50
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 15:50
cant spek for coopers but those toyo open countrys were without doubt theworst tyres I could possibly concive. I had them on for 5000k if lucky and every trip suffered torn sidewalls, torn tread blocks or punctures
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Reply By: Kinggeorge - Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 23:02
Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 at 23:02
Well, you certainly have many answers here. I found that I experienced more punctures in tyres by LEAVING the existing tracks. This is where the sticks & stones have accumulated and are "lay in wait" for the next fresh tyre to spike. I think it's best to stick to "The Beaten Track" (so to speak), even if the tracks are deep and your "Bottoming". Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth, for what it's worth.
Hope you enjoy a puncture free future.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 04:51
Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 04:51
Syd
Just because you have " the toughest tyres in the world " ( ho hum ) dosen't mean you can just plough right through anything !.
You must still drive defencibly, ie, dodge as much of the " crap " on the roads as you can.
You must also drop your pressures to around 25-27 in most of the outback roads, and in sand or desert tracks ( ie Simpson ) 15 - 18 and just waddle along.
I always watch 20-30 mts in front and " she, who must be obeyed" ( the Mrs ) watches 100 - 200 mts in front,, that seems to work best for us.
Lower pressures allow the tyre to wrap around stones , ect , and not let the stone / rock / stakes pierce the tyre, because the tyre has no give in it.
That's what it's about.
I am no great expert, but the one thing I do is to watch my pressures. I am not advocating you jumping out of your vehicle every 2 minutes, but checking presures regularly will make better driving, and do not hurry, whats the point of wrecking things ?
I have got Cooper ATR's on my Navara, and by doing this, means that in 2 big trips up in the desert, and have 82,000 km on them.
Never had a puncture ( touchwood )
Wear wise I would love another set, but ride wise I would have to try BFG's or Goodyear Wranglers.
Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Follow Up By: Member - Syd R (QLD) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 18:07
Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 18:07
Thanks Bucky good advice. Looking at you profile we must of passed on the track.
Eh!!! what are you doing up at 4.51 in the morning?
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:37
Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:37
Syd
Actually woke up at 3:30 am ,,,,drats ,,,
Took 1 hr to uncross my eyes and get the typing happening ,,,,the problems of shift work..
Don't ya just love it
Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Reply By: Member - Andy C (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:28
Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:28
Ian
What's a "small sidewall staking" mean as opposed to a "big" one?
Andy
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 13, 2007 at 23:36
Wednesday, Jun 13, 2007 at 23:36
Hi Andy, I was trying to say that the cut sapling only just got throught he sidewall. It still deflated but was repaired and is still holding air normally after 7 years as a spare.
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