Fuel Conundrum

Submitted: Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:00
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Has anyone worked out whether it's cheaper to load up with fuel in the city (eg 6 or 7 jerries, 140L) at 20-25cpl less than 2000 kms away and carry the fuel, or take the empty jerries and fuel up just before you head bush and pay the extra 25cpl? In other words, does it cost more to lug the fuel than what you'll save on the pump price if the difference is about 25 cents per litre?
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Reply By: Shaker - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:05

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:05
All for $30?

Be about the same as having a couple of passengers.
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Reply By: Member - Ian S (NT) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:42

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:42
Hi Rod,

Used to to do the big load thing, but now just top up at the servos as we go and spread the money around. With it you will get local advise and wisdom and the occassional beer. With that the facility in remote Australia will be there next year when you want it.

Cheers
Ian@Mt Dare
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 13:19

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 13:19
G'day Ian

Are you back at Mt Dare yet?

Cheers
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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:43

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:43
Not wanting to 'trivialise' yours and others concerns regarding the cost of fuel, the reality is that 'if you want to play - you have to pay'. Just go, don't skimp unecessarily and enjoy yourselves. So what if you spend an extra couple of hundred dollars on fuel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 17:34

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 17:34
Nonsense Dio.
I can enjoy tennis in dunlop volleys: some folk need "Yikes" or "Beeboks".
Depends what brings contentment.

Regards,

Jeff.

ps. The analogy may be extended to Rigs/fuel, as I'm sure you will agree. jh.
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:50

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:50
I have a 330litre fuel capacity.

Last year I topped up at Norseman and drove home, 1960km without having to refuel at servos. I saved around $100.

My long range fuel capacity is good for remote travel and I can do more side trips to places of interest. This however sometimes necessitates that I have to refuel at places which sell fuel at $3.00lt!!!

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Rod K (WA) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:57

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 12:57
Yes - but I guess my question is; how much extra did it cost you in L/100km to carry that extra weight of fuel? As Shaker mentioned, that's equivalent to carrying 3 or 4 more passengers. Plus wear & tear on tyres, drive train, etc...
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 13:18

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 13:18
Yeah, I know what you asked.

I tow a bush trailer. The extra fuel weight including jerry cans is approximately 330 kilos which would be about 10% of the overall weight of my vehicle and trailer combined. Will I use 10% more fuel? I don't know and really couldn't be bothered to work it out. But if that is so then I would have saved only $90 instead of $100 mentioned.

As I have said, my fuel capacity is for a particular purpose. I save up my pennies and then go on an expedition and enjoy myself and really could not worry about wear and tear on moving parts of the vehicle. In the big scheme of things it does not make much difference as there are too many variables to consider.

Take a deep breath......unstress......lol

Cheers
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Reply By: disco driver - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 14:45

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 14:45
Hi Rod,

The difference will be measurable but not worth worrying about in the greater scheme of things.

What is worth worrying about are the people who carry so much fuel and food that they have no need to stock up or fuel up anywhere except at home.

The people who drive through the smaller country towns, might stop for an icecream for the kids then drive on, do not know how much their actions affect these towns. The local residental trade is usually just enough to warrant keeping the doors open in the local store, fuel station etc. Most rely on passing trade, ie; you, the traveller, for a bit of margin. Besides it is amazing the information you can pick up, best road for wildflowers, local history etc.

Sure it may be 10-20 cpl dearer than Coles with a voucher, but, no BUT, unless you support these battlers in the bush where possible they won't be there next time you pass that way.

Disco
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Reply By: MickeyJ - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 15:01

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 15:01
Hi Rod,

Also the more fuel you carry especially if it in a roofrack, the more chance of breaking something on the car. Any extra weight adds stress to tyres and suspension.

Cheers

Mickey
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Reply By: Rod K (WA) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 15:02

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 15:02
Thanks for all the responses...

A note of explanation perhaps... We are heading up from Perth to Newman, then east out to Rudall River National Park, then back to either Marble Bar or Nullagine, with a few days at Carawine Gorge/Eel Pool. Our last fuel/food supplies will be at Newman, and our next fuel will be either Nullagine or Marble Bar - there's nothing in between, without heading out to the CSR & north, so we're not bypassing the battlers.

I think the query has been answered... I'd rather travel with empty jerries for the 1200km to Newman, fill up everything there, even at 25cpl more, then head out fully loaded, rather than being fully loaded for that whole distance.

Cheers all..
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 14:20

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 14:20
Hi Rod,

Given the specifics of filling up at Newman, that's a prosperous country town with a local mine, not really battling to survive at all!. I filled up there 2 weeks ago at 151.9 c/l (diesel) so reckon you might as well save yourself some $$$.

But I do agree with the sentiments of supporting local country business's, they're not all as viable as Newman.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 16:20

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 16:20
I used to carry a couple of Jerycans and top off my tank. For some obscure reason I forgot to do so on a particular trip, pulled into a service station at Corryong to fill up and because it was late in the day and having no info on the area I asked the guy about a local caravan park. He gave the info I requested, looked at my camper trailer and then suggested I continue out of town to a free reserve on the side of the river.

On that trip the savings in park fees not to mention the lovely camp spot we stayed in for a couple of days more than made up for any additional fuel cost.

Now if I was doing twenty zillion k's through the outback I might consider long range tanks/jerry cans, but until I get to that stage I prefer to spread my small amount of dollars through the local communities, from my experience I've been more than repaid.

Ian
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Reply By: rbt - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 18:24

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 18:24
travel light, is more confortable and there is nothing worse than lugging extra weight over mountain ranges,,,,,
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 21:18

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 21:18
Hi Rod

Roughly 5c per 100k to cary the fuel - so almost nothing , assumes its inside car not contributing to wind resistance.

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Follow Up By: Rod K (WA) - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 22:08

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 22:08
Hi Robin,

Do you mean 5c per kg per 100km? Or 5c per 140L (7 jerry cans) per 100km?
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 07:50

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 07:50
5c per 140lt per 100km Rod

Its an estimate based on increased weight and 140lt is approx 115kg (including cans)

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Follow Up By: Rod K (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 10:58

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 10:58
Wow... So your estimate is around 60c to cart 115kg from Perth to Newman (1200km)? Less than 1/2 litre of extra fuel?

Are you sure? That seems way too low. I would have expected about 1/2 litre per 100km.

Was the estimate based on your own measurements or some research done somewhere?

If your estimate is correct, then there's definitely a case for loading up in Perth rather than Newman. We could spend the $35 saved on dinner out in Newman (well, a lite dinner anyway!)
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 11:27

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 11:27
Hi Rod

Its a theoretical figure based on rough guess as to your consumption etc and hence It could vary 2 to 1 , but that still equates to virtually no cost.

So where does it come from !

Assume your tyres set to reccomended pressure/load which basically means 1 or 2 psi higher which negates that part of rolling resistance.

We said fuel carried inside, this means that biggest issue (air resistance) has no change.

The main cause of increased consumption would be accelerating more weight load up to speed etc.
On a long cruising trip this happens infrequently.

Hence very little extra cost.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:20

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:20
Fuel carried inside where?
If you mean in the vehicle, it could prove to be very expensive, most insurers wouldn't be too happy.
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Reply By: kiwicol - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 11:15

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 11:15
just because your not buying fuel doesnt mean you cant stop, having a cold (lite ) beer at the pub also gives you info about the local area down south where servos are closer together no need for extra fuel but up north the extra fuel gives you more room to veer off the original route, and as for some of the servos prices i question them as the next town further out has cheaper fuel than closer to where the fuel is carted from, i am leaving from Atherton to travel across the top and will be filling uo 320ltrs giving me arange of a bout 2000ks but will be stopping at towns to take in the local sites. Col
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 13:43

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 13:43
Phew, I ran out of breath reading that one.

Not criticising your comments, but it would have been easier to follow if it had been broken up into a few sentences.

Disco
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Reply By: Member - Andy C (WA) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:11

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:11
Rod

If you hit a hole (or gravel/bitumen transition or take a grid badly) between Perth and Newman carrying an extra say 175kg, you may be paying a lot more for a new tyre and any consequent damage it may cause than the extra 30c/l at Newman.

I'd rather run light on weight as much as I could and for as long as I could!

Andy
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