Ringing an Iridium Sat phone?? -It hurts

Submitted: Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 21:49
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Dont know if much has been said about this aspect of the Sat phone . Members may be interested to hear that whilst I am on a $30 monthly plan and it may "only" cost several dollars per minute to use it on outward calls (dont have the bill from a recent trip yet) ---incoming is another matter.

My Telstra home phone bill shows a call to the 9505A cost $2.42 for 21secs and 2mins 30secs cost $12.12.

If you think thats a bit steep -- A relative rang me from their Optus home phone and 6 minutes cost a staggering $76. We had to re-imburse her as she had no idea it could have cost that much . I had expected something like $4/min not an outrageous $12/min.
I HAPPY TO BAG OPTUS OVER THIS since you cant do much else but pay up.

When the 12 month plan is up I will just use the my telstra GSM sim card on trips.

Has anyone tried a G3 or next G sim card in the Iridium yet?
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 22:20

Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 22:20
You are joking arnt you , we started to look at sat for our trip next year , have the call plans for Globstar in front of me now , no mater what call plan , all incoming call are free , then again there is no mention of call costs FROM a fixed phone or mobile to the phone.
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Follow Up By: Love The Outback - Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 23:46

Friday, Jun 15, 2007 at 23:46
Hi Axel,
I found that TR Telecommunication provider. Up to now, that would be other option. I'm doing more research. From 1st. of this months Telstra should have release pre-paid Next-G SIM cards....I don't know if that happened, or if that is only promise....
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 21:53

Sunday, Jun 17, 2007 at 21:53
Next G dont have SIM cards, they are wideband CDMA and theyre just prepaid phones, no SIM cards. to my knowledge that is
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Reply By: Whitepony - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:38

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:38
We have given up on globalstar at work because they never work when you need them. Toomany search parties sent out over missed sked calls just to because they couldn't get coverage. They have problems with the network and the handsets arn't very good.

Pay the extra for the Iridium and have more confidence it will work when your lifes at stack.
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:56

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:56
We have Globalstar (had it for a couple of years) we have had none of the problems that others have had with it , we have used it out on the CSR and other trips North and South of WA.

When the family call us on it from their land lines it doesn't cost them anything.

We will be giving it a good try out come the end of next month and beyond, after reading some of the posts on here I hope it still works OK. (I am a bit concerned)

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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 07:07

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 07:07
Gday D, Whitepony and all,

I have sporadic problems with my globalstar, usually I get service, but sometimes I have to wait from a couple of minutes up to about 15. I am sure the incoming calls to it are charged at the same rate as if it was a normal mobile phone.

Not that we have really tested it, it is usually turned off until I want to use it. If anyone calls, they leave a message and I get back to them.

It will be interesting to see how they (G*) handle the CDMA when the plug is pulled, as half of the phone's uses will be lost......half price on the bills maybe...lol

Cheers Andrew
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 09:48

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 09:48
I'm with you on this one Andrew. When I was working I had to ring in on 2 hourly scheds. If we didn't they would start looking for us. We used to start ringing about 15 mins early so that we got the call through in time. The problem is definitely worse the further North you go. I spoke to G* about it and they have re-aligned the remaining satellites to give optimum coverage to the more populated areas??? Makes sense when you consider that you are most likely to need it more when you are away from populated areas!!!

We very nearly chucked the phone in favour of a Telstra Iridium but decided that now that we are retired, we can live with the waiting period for a signal. G* gave us free rental and half-price calls for 4 months when I had a bitch about it. If it continues to be patchy I'll be ringing them again and pushing for further discounts.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:26

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:26
Yes agreed Russ 15 plus minutes is no issue, especially when your partner has just hit the deck with a heart attack and you need to get medical assistance now!!!

Kind of defeats the purpose of carrying a phone for emergency purposes when it takes 15 plus minutes just to get signal or it won't maintain that signal and allow you to tell someone what the problem is.

"I spoke to G* about it and they have re-aligned the remaining satellites to give optimum coverage to the more populated areas???"

Ummm!!! don't we normally go to the least populated areas?? Thats why we carry Sat phones?
Besides that advice about moving the Sat's conflicts with other peoples advice from Global$hit, they don't have fuel in most of them to allow a reposition and most are in a decaying orbit which is whats reducing the coverage.
I would suggest that its just more crap from Global$hit.
Do a search on here plenty of info on Global$hit.
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Reply By: CoopersRed - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 06:44

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 06:44
Iridium is OK, as long as you tell all your relatives NEVER to call you, unless in a extreme emergency.

On our 12 months trip, we advised all our friends to use the free SMS service instead (http://messaging.iridium.com/).

If someone wants to speak to you, he sends a free SMS (Even the old Motorola 9500 model receives SMS) and you call him back for the usual fee.

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Reply By: davidta - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 08:39

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 08:39
Hi,
Is your Iridium phone connected through Tel$tra or someone else ?
The reason I ask is that mine is connected through Telstra & when I call it from my Telstra land phone, it is about $2.40 or so per minute.
At least it was last time this was done, about 10 months ago.
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 09:03

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 09:03
My 9500 connected through Telstra and rung from a Telstra homephone costs the same, ringing from another provider ie Optus etc will probably cost much more.
Tell them to SMS and you can call back from a public phone or if an emergency the satphone.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 09:32

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 09:32
My Telstra Iridium with the 9500 also has Messagebank Home Messages.

Haven't checked cost thereof. Telstra sccess is $30 per month with $10 free time and has been so since 2003 when I bought the phone.

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Reply By: srowlandson - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 10:54

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 10:54
my satphone is on permanent divert to messagebank. so i don't cause anyone to get the high call costs.

I get the message and call back.

my g* R290 can be painful in the high country, yet up north it has been better.

I'm looking at replacing with iridium soon
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 18:39

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 18:39
If you only make occasional trips and occasional calls, then the cheapest way is to use a Telstra GSM Simcard with Global Roaming, as it will be recognised in a Motorola 9500 or 9505.

Do not confuse this with Iridium services where you get a SIM card with an International number - the only thing in common is that both methods use Motorola 9505 phones and the Iridium network.

You will be charged about $3 a minute for outgoing and for incoming calls. Expensive, but you don't have to pay any monthly fees this way. Charges appear on your Mobile phone bill as Satellite calls.

People calling you will only be charged standard Mobile rates.

People just dial or SMS your normal Mobile number, but warn them there will be long delay and silent periods before the call connects. You just dial a standard Australian number - 02 9999 1234.

You don't pay for incoming SMS calls.

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Follow Up By: Member - Patrol Geoff (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 23:14

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 23:14
I've got a Telstra GSM SIM in my Iridium 9500. It has never received any SMSes. I posted about it some time back and somebody said that you can only get SMSes using the Iridium SIM.

If anybody can tell me otherwise, I'd appreciate it.

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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:45

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 19:45
Here is the current price list for satellite usage including using your GSM Sim Card in the phone ($2.00 per 30 sec) www.telstra.com.au/customerterms/docs/mobilesat.doc
Still looking for the land line to Sat phone costs.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:15

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:15
The first 5 sections of this document give details for the Telstra Mobile Satellite Service for which you pay a monthly fee.

"2.7 We supply you with a specific Telstra Mobile satellite service SIM card. The telephone number for your service will begin with an 014714, 014715 or 014716 prefix. If you access the Telstra Mobile satellite service using the SIM card for a Telstra Mobile (GSM) service, higher charges apply as set out in the charges section below. If you place your Telstra Mobile satellite service SIM card in a cellular mobile service handset/device and make calls, you are charged at Telstra Mobile satellite service rates as set out in this section."

"You cannot apply your included calls amount to charges incurred using:
(a) a Telstra Mobile (GSM) SIM card (for a service with a telephone number beginning with “04”) in your satellite handset/device;

Section 6 covers using a Telstra GSM SIM card in a satellite phone while in Australia.

Calls to a fixed mobile or 12, 1800, 1300 or 190 service -
- Connection $0.40
- $2.00 per 30 sec or part.

Receiving calls
- $2.00 per 30 sec or part.

People calling you just dial your normal Mobile number and so they pay the normal costs to dial your Mobile - whether they're calling from Telstra, Optus or a payphone.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:16

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:16
Sorry that link did not work, just copy and paste.
Its a PDF file so you can save it and print etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:21

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:21
Ahh OK Mike, they pay they normal mobile rate and you get charged the additional $2.00 per 30 sec to your Sat / defacto GSM account.
So it costs you $4 bucks a minute incoming and outgoing?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:47

Saturday, Jun 16, 2007 at 20:47
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