Quiet Generator

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I have put my EX350 Honda Generator into an old Esky to run it quieter. Everything fits but the 12v Computer Fan to force air across the unit. I have burnt out two fans (old testing ones) because the 10 amps put out by the generator is overloading the 1.6 amp of the fan motor. (I think). Do I need something in the 12v wiring to cut the amperage to the fan(s)? If so what? Any body done this??
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Reply By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 21:27

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 21:27
Yo BBUZZ,

The fan will only "draw" what it needs so if it is rated at 1.6amps then that is the max it will draw from the 12v supply. I can only speculate as to why they are burning out... Cannot help with that unless there is something else about the way the air flow is.. Is the fan pulling the hot air across itself or is it shovelling the air across the gen and out the other end?

Grrr!!!
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 21:39

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 21:39
Think you would be better off with a 240v regulated power supply to run the fan, but there are plenty of 12v experts out there who probably know more than me.
I think it would be best if it is pushing air rather than sucking air too, you dont mention which.
Good idea but, also disquises it from passing eyes, could also paint it in camoflage.

Cheers Pesty

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Reply By: Boobook2 - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 21:44

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 21:44
bbuzz,

Most computer fans are designed to run with a powersupply of 12V plus or minus 5%. Ie a maxmum of about 12.6V.
Not sure about the EX350, but it possibly puts out 13.8V if it is to run automotive 12v appliances. This might be enough over the fan spec to cook it slowly.

If you have access to a multimeter or the generator specs, check the voltage output. If it is 13.8V you can put 2 diodes ( IN4004 or similar) in series with the fan to drop the voltage to about 12v. You can get them at Jaycar, Dick smith etc for about 10c each.

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Follow Up By: David N. - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:59

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:59
Nah, not 13.8 but MUUUCCCHHH higher actually.
They are NOT regulated and are ONLY for battery charging.
Although I haven't looked at an EX350, but many others can put out up to 20v on no, or low load (eg a computer fan)
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Reply By: kimprado - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 22:10

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 22:10
bbuzz

Tell me your not being serious.

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: bbuzz - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:41

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:41
I got the idea from this Forum or a link away from it. It works well and very quiet - when I bury the exhaust extension into the ground! My missus has sensitive ears and the 'noise' worries her. She would not have it on at all but finds it hard to read her book!
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Follow Up By: Aandy(WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:22

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:22
ever heard of a Versalite?
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:26

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:26
Buy a Solar system, then your "missus" will be more than happy and you will have a power system that requires no maintainence or petrol and makes no noise ☺
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Reply By: pjchris - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 22:24

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 22:24
On most generators (and I know from experience with the Honda eu10i) the 12V output is not regulated in any way and will be at about 12-13v when you pull maximum current from it and up to 17V when nothing is connected.

However you are only pulling 1.6A and if you measure the voltage on the fan I wouldn't be surprised to find 15-16V and that will burn the fan out fairly quickly.

If I were you I would pick up a 240V computer fan and wire it to the 240V ouput on the Generator as this should be better regulated.

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Follow Up By: bbuzz - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:44

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:44
Thanks. That sounds what it is. The ones I burned out were old but did it in about 1 minute of being on! I have charged my battery with it and I think the lecko said it put out about 13 to 14v, which is Ok for the regulator on the battery. Will have to get a meter and check.
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Reply By: obee - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 22:39

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 22:39
A fan does not push or suck, it pushes and sucks. Simply transfer of air from one side to other. If its not getting enough air or it has to work too hard to push the air out the other side then it will overload maybe. I wonder if the air flow is restricted.

If you are pushing air in then it needs to get out somewhere. The motor is going to pull a lot of air in anyway for the combustion of fuel and needs plenty of room to blow the exhaust out. You would want to have a good look at where the cooling air enters the generator and where it leaves and provide big holes in the esky.

My opinion anyway. Good idea, but. I will keep an eye out for one chucked out on the street cleanups.

Owen

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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 23:15

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 23:15
Hi bbuzz



I would say the Honda will overheat and seize up soon.

Regards

Derek.
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Follow Up By: V8 Troopie - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 00:31

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 00:31
Yes, I'd second that.
Funny how some people seem to believe that a puny computer fan could supply sufficient air to run the generator, let alone to cool it and blow the exhaust out of the box.
Klaus
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Follow Up By: Redback - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:58

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:58
If it doesn't melt the esky first !!
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Follow Up By: Ingtar - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:06

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:06
Shouldn't the esky be full of ice anyway? This will keep things cool.

May have to take some of the beers out to make room though.

Oh well... can't help bad luck.
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Follow Up By: bbuzz - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:56

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:56
Thats the one. Useful during the last storms when we were without power for a couple of days. Kept the beer cold, ran the TV and a light. Not all at once though!
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Follow Up By: Aandy(WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:24

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:24
Real good emergency priorities - cold beer, TV, electric light. hmmm
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Follow Up By: David N. - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:02

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:02
I agree with Derek.
I've built a number of sound proof boxes for gennies and the design and airflow IS CRITICAL.
It HAS to be right, or you'll destroy your genny.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:09

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:09
Clark Rubber sell engine room insulation foam (Foil on one side). I would make a box and use the foam and then fit a grill one side and a large fan the other. Possibly a 12V condenser fan as used on a/c units. This would give you air flow. I think it would maybe halve the noise level.

Next option is an upgrade to a Honda or Yamaha 1kva unit that will produce the 350w of your current unit and you won't even hear it.
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Reply By: Member - eerfree(QLD) - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 23:28

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 23:28
bbuz
Does the Esky actually reduce the noise level?
Have you checked how hot it gets inside the box?
And do you put the lid on?
Lots of questions I know but I think I am going to back Derek on this one.

eerfree
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Reply By: webcraft - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 06:42

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 06:42
I did read something somewhere where someone put a hose from the generator outlet into a bucket of water and this made it almost silent.

You need to make sure the generator is elevated above the bucket though. Could have been somewhere on this site www.lets-getaway.com but not sure.

I haven't done it myself so can't confirm. Anyone out there tried this?

Webby
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:34

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:34
A lot of these devices are "on the edge" re the conditions they can tolerate.... when made for world markets, some devices find our climate a bit confronting at times - the gennie probably wants cool clean air to the max, to function as designed. EG - my Yamaha EF1000iS inverter gennie developed a vapour block at one stage, running in the shade, but in 35C ambient (since avoided by taking the rear cover off during hot weather - better air flow round the innards). EG 2 - My 3 stage 240V smart battery charger bought through Derek - it has a thermal overload inbuilt - while in the shade in the open air, if ambient temperatures are in the mid 30's, I can't use it - keeps dropping out - its really a mild weather charger only (bit of a bugger - hot weather is usually when the batteries need a top up !!).
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Reply By: 01Rod - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:06

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:06
For what its worth,

www.campertrailers.org/generator_box.htm

This bloke has done something similar, Built a generator into the box on the front of the camper and use fans to etc to cool/feed it air.

Rod
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Follow Up By: bbuzz - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:51

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:51
Thats the one. I suppose there will be a problem with heat build up - certainly needs careful monitoring but hey, worth a try. It is quiet with the lid on at the moment but I cannot run it without the fan. Will use two fans when I get it going. Have a baffle at the other end for the heat from the motor to get away and the exhaust is piped out directly.
The water idea sounds like it may work (lower than the outley\t of course).
The fans put out a lot of air directed by funnel shaped surround into slits in the esky wall. Should pressurise the box inside and create a draught out the other end. Similiar idea put forward for 'tropicising' fridges by creating airflow.
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Reply By: Member - Greydemon (WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:47

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:47
Quiet Generator.

Oxymoron.

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Follow Up By: bbuzz - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:54

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:54
Thanks guys for your input. Great to get different opinions on the same subject. Hasn't deterred me. Will give it a go, watch the temperatures and see what happens. I know how annoying all generators are in a National Park or the bush clearing, so want to try something rather than leave it at home.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:34

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:34
What happens when it does get too hot - will a fire start & burn everything to the ground, woops what about the neighbours, will they be burnt out also..... or maybe burnt to death !!

If the manufacturer of the genny thought it would work in a "box" with a few fans don't you think they would sell them as an accessory ??
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Reply By: David N. - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:07

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:07
Seriously, if you're going to do it at all, you need to do it right! Otherwise expect a DEAD generator.
Have a look at my photos here:
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Cheers
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Follow Up By: bbuzz - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 11:50

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 11:50
Thanks. The problem I will have now is that I want to run the 12v to power accessories BUT the generator is for charging batteries. The multi meter reading on the generator unloaded is 20volts! Ergo burnt fans!! I need to find a way of regulating the output back to 12v all the time.
I will build a better mouse trap when I know it works.
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Reply By: bbuzz - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 20:27

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 20:27
Following a search at Jaycar I think what I need is a DC Converter. They have one for about $25 that converts from 6-28v DC to any lower voltage that is at least 3 volts less than the input. This also means that I can run a cigarette outlet on the side of the box to run radio, cd player etc. Theory at the moment but I will check at the Jaycar store for confirmation.
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