Tyre pressure & type with slide-on camper

Submitted: Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 13:59
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I have a Heaslip slide-on camper (fully laden about 850 kg) on my Nissan Patrol traytop ute with wide tyres. Last trip north I had three punctures and conflicting advice about best tyre pressures (rear wheels) and best tyres for the job (I want to use dual purpose HT types). Punctures all occurred on tracks with some loose stone plus corrugations. Any advice would be welcome as planning a trip to Kimberly this season.
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Reply By: Tony - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 15:13

Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 15:13
I think for a start, you need to consider A/T tyres for the Kimberly. Gives you a bit more rubber between the rim and the road.

The Kimberly region has plenty of stones and depending on what time of the year, a lot of corrugations.

As far as tyre pressure, its a bit difficult to recommend a certain pressure. A lot depends on your driving style/speed. I would start around 45 for the black top, a see how the ride is. Hit the dirt and drop to 38-40, and once again look at the tyres and ride feel. I run 36-38 in a wagon, loaded and towing a Coota Camper.
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Follow Up By: virtuallygbh - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 17:39

Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 17:39
Thanks Tony, very helpful
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Reply By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 15:38

Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 15:38
I know exactly what you're going through, I had a Heaslip on a Land Rover 130.

The basic problem is that the Heaslip is very heavy, I always doubted their quoted weight of 500kg dry. I reckon it's more like 650kg.
BTW I now have a Utility Camper on a F250.

First trip I did with the Heaslip I wrecked three BFG AT's. I then went to Michelin LTX. I was running 45 psi on bitumen and 35 on fast dirt. Slow sand 20 and slow rocky stuff 25. The LTX is a brilliant tyre, expensive. and about to be phased out.

What ever tyre you get make sure you are at least a 120 load index which equates to 1400kg load per tyre. You don't say what tyre size you are using, but I would be wary of anything too wide.
Finally I think you want as much sidewall height as possible. This allows maximum tyre sidewall deflection for a given inflation, so you can get the most comfortable ride.
Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: virtuallygbh - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 17:38

Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 17:38
Really appreciate this advice, it narrows my search for the best tyre and gives me a starting point on the pressures
Thanks
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Reply By: Member-Granpa Joe - Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 18:48

Thursday, Jul 05, 2007 at 18:48
I Feel that the cab chassis might be bottoming out on the bumpstops and then forcing stones etc through the poor old tyres, Insufficient wheel travel under load eats tyres up!
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Follow Up By: virtuallygbh - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:38

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:38
Thanks for this but I dont think that is the problem because I have Noble suspension supports and air suspension bags
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Follow Up By: Member-Granpa Joe - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 17:22

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 17:22
Airbags are designed to restrict the natural flow of the springs which is great on the road but no good on the ruff up and down stuff.
It is much better to get a larger stiffer higher off the ground set of springs then the suspension can compress under load .... and then more again without hitting the bump stops. Airbag load leveller type airbags should be banned I.M.O. I have seen these things disable quite a few vehicles on the gulf development tracks from being inflated too much and restricting axle movement.
And yes , A descent set of tyres makes a phenominal difference to tyre failure rates.
Most people I see with holed tyres typically have just passed through a dry creek bed with a dip in it or a bull dust hole , the vehicle (heavily loaded ) has it's suspension bottomed out or restricted by airbags at the bottom or the climb out of the dip or hole and any sharp bubble or mulga root is punched clean through the tyre as the tyre is heavily compressed onto the surface from lack of relief from the suspension. I have seen this many times over and will leave a person with cheap or poorly made tyres in dire trouble and even well shod vehicles feeling the heat of having to "walk the vehicle on eggs" so to speak especially if they don't have another spare or adequate repair equipment or skills.

Just something to consider, you either get it or ya don't.
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Reply By: PsFish - Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 08:57

Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 08:57
I have a 2004 patrol st coil cab with a heaslip as well, the pressures that I run on front 40 psi rear 50 psi, when I hit a dirt road or go offroad I lower the presures by 15psi and to date have had no problems, I have changed tyres from originals and fitted 10 ply at coopers as they have a high load rate and will carry the weight with no problems. Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: virtuallygbh - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:40

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:40
Thanks for this. Sounds like I need to use a tyre with a heavier load rate as you have done.
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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 11:21

Saturday, Jul 07, 2007 at 11:21
Punctures are punctures ... but impact damage from stones is another matter, sidewall damage from stones or staking is another... it is important to assess the situation fully.

I'd suggest the following:

1. without the camper on, assess how much the tyres are bagged out at optimum inflation
2. maintain that amount of bagging (which will be just a little) when assessing the inflation required for bitumen
3. on gravel roads, remember that the make up of the roads makes a difference to what inflation you need - you will want to reduce it for the following reasons:
- corrugations, for a better ride
- rough edged gravel and rocks - you will want to reduce it so that there is more give in the tyre than when fully inflated. To not do this can knock around your tyre more.
- reduce your speed a little to match as this reduces the load on the tyre.
- pay attention to how much bagging of the tyres you need in what conditions and adjust the tyre pressures where necessary the first few times you stop
- remember to reinflate when back on the bitumen
4. on sand and rough rocky conditions for increased traction you will want to reduce it more.

How much is your essential question - well that depends on the tyre you have, and the actual loaded weight of the vehicle as it translates to the front and rear axles, and the detail of the conditions you encounter. It is the bagging of the tyres that is important, not the actual pressure, although clearly the higher the load on a tyre, the more likely damage.

Nobody who gives you actual pressures without knowing the detail - I don't care who they are, is doing anything but giving you a guide. Take it with a pinch of salt. Then pay attention to your vehicle; your tyre conditions and the road conditions, and you will soon learn what is appropriate for you. It takes a lot less time and money to stop and adjust your pressures than to replace a tyre.

Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: virtuallygbh - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:44

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:44
I am going to print this out and put it in the glovebox just to remind myself! Sounds like very doable approach. I presume that the higher the load rating of the tyre the less the bagging for any set tyre pressure. My local tyre agent (Border Bandag) say that you cant go past BFGs for this work so I will check on their load rating and ply and go from there
Thanks for your help
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:07

Monday, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:07
Load rating of the tyre is a specific measurement - they have scientifically tested the tyre at the inflation specified for it's load bearing capabilities using a standard test (and engineered the tyres construction for that).

Different tyres bag in different ways.

The less air in your tyre, the less stress the tyre can take. Things that induce stress on the tyre are the road, the load, the speed, the temperature, the suspension set up etc.

To confuse matters, if you inflate a tyre for maximum load bearing capabilities, you are making the whole tyre more rigid and less flexible, so when you hit corrugations you feel every little one, and when you drive on sharp stony gravel, if flies up from the front wheels, impacts on the back tyres and sometimes damages them because they don't flex as much as they would at lower pressure.

So the basic principle is reduce the pressure for better ride being aware that this will reduce the load bearing capability at speed - so reduce your speed; reduce you load or both - usually only the former is possible.

The same goes for massively reducing the pressure for sand or mud/rock climbing. Don't go then driving on the road and expecting nice rigid handling - it will be all over the place. And don't drive at speed, because the additional friction will heat up the tyre and damage it.

If your tyres are getting really hot in the conditions, slow down or pressure up as appropriate - of course you need to stop every now and again in order to check and to know this is happening ;-)
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