what sort of heating do you use???
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 18:34
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gonebush SA
hi, we are off in a couple of days for a short trip 'bush' type
camping and are here to pick your brains. while we
camp we do have a nice fire to keep cosy by, but does anyone out there have any sort of heating in their vans for those really cold icy/ rainy times. we have thought about a gas heater running off a bottle but by the time you get a small heater, have a metre of hose and then a bottle it's asking for an accident- even though the heaters have an anti tilt switch in them. there are some on e bay at the moment called- Kovea 'Little Sun" High Quality Gas Heater, these run on those cans of gas but a can only lasts around 2 hours, so could get quite expensive. We know that we have left it to late for this trip but that's what has made us think of it. we have also had the type that screw on top of the gas bottle, but with kids around we worry about it being knocked over.
if i haven't replied to you it's because we are enjoying ourselves
camping- not being a snob.
thanks and hope someone can shed some warmth on our situation.
Reply By: Member - Lance S (VIC) - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 18:43
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 18:43
G'day gonebushSA, I have 3 kids and don't trust any kind of
camping heater inside the tent, so we just throw on the trakkies, wincheater and beanie, with a good quality sleeping bag u should survive those extra cold nights.
cheers, Lance
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 08:21
Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 08:21
Well said Lance
We are not on a suicide mission either ,, Just a campire, and some quality heavy clothes, and sleeping bags -10 rating will do us every time
Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 18:57
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 18:57
Coleman make a gas heater (all-in-one unit) that is quite effective. Pesty has one, as do a few other EO members.
You need to be aware of the potential to asphyxiated from the fumes/exhaust of a gas heater. However, I believe the Coleman unit is much safer than a standard gas heater system.
We have one that just screws onto the top of the 4kg bottle, but haven't used it for years.
We have a 6 y/o son who sleeps in the middle of the king-size bed of the Ultimate. He goes to bed before Annette & I and he is nice and warm .....like a hot
water bottle...hahaha
Some people use a gennie and a electric blanket!!!! may as
well stay at home. haha
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 08:24
Sunday, Jul 15, 2007 at 08:24
Hey Roachie !
You forgot to say that's Annette's other form of " birth control "
hehehehehehehehehehehehe
Cheers to both you and Annette
LOL
Bucky
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Reply By: blue one - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:00
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:00
You guys are getting old, try some horizontal folk dancing.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Lance S (VIC) - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:03
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:03
OLD..............
I'm only 95
LOL
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Reply By: Member - Uncle (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:27
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:27
As we are only 2 adults with no kids we occasionally use the screw on type like Roachie has. Had a look and a test of the Kovea's at the outdoors
shop last week, and if we didn't already have our little setup now, we'd buy one. Very surprised how much heat they throw out! We only use ours minimally eg, I put it on for about 1.5 hrs in the morning in extreme cold conditions while making a brew, but mostly its been used when
camping where we cant have a fire.If we had
young infants, we simply wouldn't use one.
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Reply By: equinox - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:27
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:27
Put some sand in the bottom of a metal bucket then fill with hot coals leaving enough room for a layer of more sand to cover the coals. Stand it on a metal frame such as one that you put a saucepan on over a fire.
It will produce good heat for a couple of hours - just don't knock it over.
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Reply By: howie - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:28
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:28
i bought some cans of kovea gas for less than $2 each last week.
kovea heater cost $130 in sale at army & navy store.
don't leave gas appliances connected in tent under any circumstances, takes 2 secs to remove cannister.
i have tripled my brownie points.
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Follow Up By: gonebush SA - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:46
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 19:46
hi, thanks for that, i thought we could only get one through e bay, which works out more than you mentioned. we would only use it in our caravan. does it take the normal type gas cans? big W usually have packets of 4 of them for $5. i did some sums and the Coleman one works out at costing 87 cents per hour and the one mentioned above comes in at around 62 per hour.
so do you get them from the Army disposal stores?
thanks.
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Follow Up By: howie - Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 01:27
Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 01:27
i am in w.a., but the way i found a supplier was, when i googled the name 'kovea gas heater', it returned a few 'gondwana' references.
i found out who stocked gondwana gear and first phone call found one in
perth.
BTW i too have a 'cheap' butane stove among a vast array of
camping stoves and bottles and i don't have any problems in the cold.
also, the gas cannisters are kovea brand which are 70%butane 30%propane.
the ones for the 'cheap' stove are gas-mate, which are 80%butane 20%propane.
the guy in the
shop said he runs his cheap stove and heater on the kovea cannisters with no problems. i will try this out soon.
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Follow Up By: gonebush SA - Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:25
Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:25
i tried the google search and it bought up pages of the e bay ads and nothing else. i am going to phone around the
camping stores today and hopefully will find one to have a look at. you never know this holiday might not be as cold as we thought, if we can find one.
we checked the gas cans we have for our stove and they don't say what % they are.
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Reply By: Member - RnR (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 20:41
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 20:41
Gonebush SA,
We also enjoy our
camp fires but the problem is the early mornings when the temp inside the van is around 2 degrees or less. We are having a diesel heater fitted to our Trakmaster van later this year. Both Webasto and Dometic make these and they are very efficient. Unit is about the size of a shoe box with a 20 litre
tank used to hold the diesel. We have seen one in action on our last trip and they are the bees knees.....
Regards
rnr!MPG:22!
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 22:44
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 22:44
You can also add a hot
water unit to them.
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Follow Up By: gonebush SA - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 23:47
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 23:47
hi, yes we even looked into one of those but the price took us back a bit i must admit.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 23:52
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 23:52
I have even heard of people sleeping with the cans in their sleeping bags to keep them warm, so that will work on cold mornings.
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Reply By: Member - Robyn J (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 22:24
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 22:24
We used our Cobb, last trip away. The mornings were ok as the sun was up before we got out of be but the nights a bit cool after the sund went down. Just burnt off about 10 heat beads in the Cobb and then when glowing and no fire brought into the annex of the camper and put under the table. When they burnt down just put a few more in and burnt off outside of the tent. When we had both units as we were
camping with other people and they were all in our annex as it was set up as the eating area and playing poker after tea area we used both units and it became a bit hot with both and 7 bodies around the table.
A versitle piece of
camping equipment.
Robyn
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Reply By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 23:11
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 23:11
If the Kovea heaters use the same disposable bottles as the cheap stoves, then isn't that a problem in itself?
In our experience the bottles steadfastly refuse to deliver gas in cold conditions.
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Follow Up By: gonebush SA - Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 23:45
Tuesday, Jul 10, 2007 at 23:45
we have one of those 'cheap' stoves that run on the cans of gas and have never had one bit of trouble in the 6 plus years we have been using it, and it does get a workout in all types of temps, our only problem was the wind which is fixed now.
thanks anyway.
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Reply By: Member - BUNDY BOY (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 08:02
Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 08:02
gone bush .........all above answers are great ...but me thinks.you need to turn on the charm before bed time ...and throw a leg over asap to get you warm...(ducks for cover from your ..swimbo)))))
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:40
Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:40
Hi Gonebush
Used a few different heating setups - all of which have been of marginal value as they just don't put out enough heat.
We do find our little sun heater of some use though mainly because it is easy to work with , its no trouble to just turn it on and get a small amount of no-fuss heat.
It sort of like Coleman unit but rated at twice the output.
Until recently Coleman was rated for indoor use , but law changed and it is not now. The little sun is also not meant for enclosed space mainly because of risk on carbon monoxide gas however they work
well and will warm up a van quite
well.
As per posts above , you should use the 70/30 cannisters which are almost impossible to get in
Melbourne , and we find the cheaper 80/20 ok but they reduce the heat output further.
These units claim 1.7kw however they don't in practice put out as much heat as a 1kw radiator we have at home.
While you do have to sit over them they can provide a feeling of warmth and make kids feel better. You can
cook toast with them , probably better than on an open fire .
Recently we were using ours outdoors were it was hard to have a fire , and people were sanding around in the cold. As wind was low it was keeping 1 or 2 people "off cold" but then some more turned up and we used a previous trick.
We simply put two of those wire mesh toasters over a twin burner gas stove and turned heat up so that the toaster elements glowed - while not as manageable as little sun it put out twice the heat.
Robin Miller
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Reply By: gonebush SA - Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 18:23
Wednesday, Jul 11, 2007 at 18:23
hi, we went down to
Adelaide today after countless phonecalls we finally found 1 store (Boots
camping, South rd., Edwardstown, SA) that has the Kovea heaters- every where else sold out. we had a look and a feel and all seemed
well and bought one. the normal price was $165, which we thought a bit dear after we heard from other stores that they sell for $130ish but after a bit of haggling, and with the help of friendly staff we got it for $150 which included a pack of 4 gas cans. they seem to through out more heat than we thought, and no you don't need to run the Kovea gas cans in it, any type will do.
we are off tomorrow (hooray!!), so if you are interested to find out how the heater handled the job i will put a reply on this page in around 11 days time.
thanks to all for you help gonebush SA.
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