Wiring for fridge

I recently had an auto elec. run some wires for lights and fridge in a canopy.The fridge,an Engel 40l will be mounted in the back corner and required about 4m of wire from the front of the canopy.Electrics to canopy are connected via an Anderson plug with 6mm used from battery to the connector.
The electrician has used 5mm wiring for the fridge and insists this size will be ok.I thought 6mm should have been used considering the distance of 4m.
So wondered if i should change the wiring or if 5mm would do?
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Reply By: Member - Wim (Qld) - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 14:33

Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 14:33
Tony.

The best way to check is get a multimeter and measure the voltage at the fridge when it starts and while it is running. Do this with the engine "off".
If the the fridge works o/k then all is fine.

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Follow Up By: Member- Tony C - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 16:03

Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 16:03
Thanks Wim.That sounds like a straight forward way of sorting the problem.I've been going to buy a multimeter.

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Tony
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Reply By: glids - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 15:34

Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 15:34
Hi Tony,
You can calculate the voltage drop (in volts) for your situation, OR ANY WIRING RUN, using the following formula...

Voltage Drop = 0.017 * Length * Current / Cable Area.

Notes:
1. 'Length' = total length of current run. ie if you have 4 metres from battery to unit, and you use a supply (+ve) cable and a return (-ve) cable, the total length is 8 metres. If you only use a supply cable (+ve) and use chassis for return, length can be 4 metres BUT the chassis return may not be as efficient (conductive) as a good cable due to poor joints. Generally better to use cable for critical items.

2. 'Current' is in Amps

3. 'Cable Area' is cross sectional area of COPPER CONDUCTORS measured in square millimetres (mm^2). It is not calculated on the nominal diameter (eg 6mm in your example above). If you do not know the actual sectional area, or cannot find it from cable drum or catalogue (Dick Smiths etc provide the data) then calculate it by counting the number of strands and accurately measuring the strand diameter (micrometer accuracy needed).
Area (mm^2) = 3.142 * diameter (mm) * diameter (mm) / 4

4. Where two different cable sizes are used (your case of 6mm and 5mm) then voltage drop can be calculated for each section of cable run.

Remember that when the engine is running, you will have more than 12V at the battery - charging voltage can be around 14.4V. This will mean that you may still have 12V at the fridge even if the voltage drop is larger than desired. I suggest that you check the fridge requirements with the supplier, as efficience can drop dramatically if voltage is too low.

cheers,
glids
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Follow Up By: Member- Tony C - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 16:12

Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 16:12
Glids,
Thanks for your detailed response.I have to admit you lost me there on some of the technicalities.Engel recommend 6mm 64 strand automotive wire when going 3-4m.
Regards.
Tony
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 15:26

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 15:26
When "Engel recommend 6mm 64 strand automotive wire when going 3-4m" why would you accept less than what the manufactur recomends ???

10mm▫ would be more realistic than 5mm▫

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Follow Up By: glids - Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 16:47

Saturday, Jul 28, 2007 at 16:47
Hi Tony,

Okay, I checked out a cable website (http://www.wwcables.com.au/automotive_cable.html) and 6mm x 65 strand has sectional area of 4.59 mm^2. The 5mm cable is 3.25 mm^2.
So for every 1 metre of distance (2m of cable) and for every 1 Amp of current, you would get 0.0074 volts drop with 6mm cable, and 0.0105 volts drop with 5mm cable.

Therefore, if distance is 4 metres and current is say 10 Amps, you will lose 0.42V with 5mm, on top of the drop in the 6mm cable from battery to canopy. If the 5mm cable was replaced with 6mm, drop would be 0.3V (on top of drop in 6mm cable).

1. Find out how much current the fridge draws.
2. Find out what voltage the fridge requires for efficient operation.
3. Measure your battery voltage at the Anderson Plug (ie at end of 6mm cable)
4. Measure cable length to fridge (and double it)
5. Do the sums.

Alternatively:
1. Measure voltage across the fridge connector at the fridge, with the fridge running.
2. Compare to Engel specs.

The heavier cable would be recommended every time, and as others have posted, use even heavier cable to minimise losses.

cheers,
glids
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Reply By: whyallacookie - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:11

Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 17:11
As I am sure would have been mentioned before too,

Cable's aint cables!

(The important part for the purpose of this thread is the thickness/cross section of the copper wire. Often cable sold through places like Auto Stores etc looks nice and thick untill your compare the insulation too the copper "core". You may well find that the wire used by the auto lecky has more copper than most of the "off the shelf" 6mm you and I would get walking in to one of these places
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Reply By: drivesafe - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 18:52

Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 18:52
Hi Tony C, who ever told you to use 6mm was steering you in the right direction.

Just about every auto electrician I deal with would have 5mm Automotive cable and as this is actually 2.9mm2, it’s way to thin for the distance to be able to keep up a minimum voltage drop while the fridge is running and as you are planning to run some lights as well, your fridge will probably work but it will be working hard and long to keep itself cool.

6mm Automotive ( 4.5mm2 ) is the thinnest size that should be used to power a fridge and in your case it would probably benefit your fridge and lights if you had run 8 B&S ( 7.9mm2 ).

The thinner cable means your fridge will have to work harder and longer so increasing the ware and tear unnecessarily.

Might pay you to see someone else.

Cheers
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Reply By: DIO - Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 19:02

Friday, Jul 27, 2007 at 19:02
Why not check with Derek at Link ABR 4WD Accessories. Tell him what you want to do and he'll advise and supply if required. p.s. he's also an advertiser on this forum.
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