Suspension Upgrade Feedback

You haven't mentioned that any changes to suspension automatically voids warranty. That wouldn't normally be a problem with a half-way decent 4WD, but we tore the chassis on our less than 5 month old Patrol, travelling from Mitchell to Windora; many people we've talked to since were all well aware that the chassis was the achilles heal of the coil version of GUs, including those who had reinforced their chassis as soon as they bought the vehicle. The dealer who fitted the new coils etc had reinforced the chassis on his own Patrol but "forget" to tell us the chassis was weak. The new suspension was fitted before our vehicle was even registered, but we're the ones who had to pay the $1800 repair bill!!
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Reply By: Member-Granpa Joe - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 20:22

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 at 20:22
The suspension change will only void warranty on the directly affected regions of the vehicle.
Did you have airbags fitted ?
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Follow Up By: happytruck - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 11:37

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 11:37
Yes - we had standard 2" lift kit, (raised coils) and poly-air bags fitted at 15-20 psi; the tower in which the coil sits tore away from the chassis. The dealer thought it was covered by warranty but when they sent the photo through Nissan refused to cover it because they saw the after-market coils fitted.
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Follow Up By: Member-Granpa Joe - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 17:29

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 17:29
The Airbags destroyed the coil tower Not the springs .
Even if you went another 2mm thicker on the wire diameter of the coil, it still wouldn't have damage the shassis like that. Unfortunately, too many people are talked into using air bags inside coils and these are the exact consequences of stopping a spring from being able to compress......something else usually will instead no-matter who the manufacturer of the vehicle is.
I had a co-worker that set off on his trip of a life time only to end up stranded in the desert with a bent diff housing on his Pajero ......caused by incorrectly inflated polyairs........polyair didn't pay for the recovery of camper and car or the replacement of a new diff housing and axle, and he certainly didn't ask Mitsubishi for it to be fixed under warranty either.

I would be expecting compensation from the installer or polyair, not Nissan.
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Follow Up By: happytruck - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 17:46

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 17:46
This is an interesting point. Last year our NM Pajero had poly airbags fitted inside extremely heavy duty coils (approx 3-4mm thicker than standard, and 3" higher) and dragged a very heavy Cub Drover. The back seats had been taken out and fitted with home made camper box, fridge, 4 jerries of diesel and 4 10l containers of water. She was loaded, and so was the camper. Airbags were set at 20-30 psi, and we had no problems going on Canning Stock Route Wells 51-45 and 23-5, plus Rudall R National Park, Carnarvon Ranges and Tallewana track - we had no problems with our suspension or mono shell, which is not supposed to be as strong as a full chassis on a Nissan.

Because of this I'm not convinced the poly airbags are the problem - we know of instances where STOCK STANDARD Nissan ute chassis have torn. Ours started to tear somewhere between Mitchell and Windora - much better road than the CSR.

Nevertheless we will quiz the deal and Polyair. Appreciate your feedback.
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Follow Up By: Member-Granpa Joe - Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 18:29

Thursday, Aug 02, 2007 at 18:29
Polyairs ARE the problem, The "Stock standard Ute would have Had the bumpstop plates broken off from overloading which compresses the suspension so harshly that the bump stops are smashed again and again into the bumpstop plate.
If it was standard with no poly airs inside the coils this would have definately been what had happenned.

The better solution would have been to have put up with thicker coils on the patrol that were higher than standard giving you more distance between bumpstop and bumpstop plate.

Unfortunately people try and market a quick fix load carrying solution like "polyairs" and then when the user takes the vehicle off the highway and into the tough stuff the wheels and axle cannot freely articulate up and down as they have a polyair shoved up inside them !
PS the pajero was an NM as well just like the one you described as having owned except it had standard coils with the poly airs inflated more to compensate.
This is just one example of another vehicle that has come to grief from the dredded airbag ( I owned a TD 2.8 NM myself for years)

I am only stating fact and simple Physics so if you can't grasp what I have been trying to get across , then good luck and happy welding!
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Reply By: happytruck - Tuesday, Aug 14, 2007 at 17:11

Tuesday, Aug 14, 2007 at 17:11
I've taken a while to look into the matter further. The repairer at Alice Springs said ours was the 12th Patrol they'd done in the past 18 months. In the same period they'd only repaird a "few" Landcruisers. Since there are far more Landcruisers on the road than Patrols, the Patrols obviously have the biggest problem. While the poly airbags may have contributed to the tear in the chassis, this doesn't explain the fact that the tear occurred on Qld country roads without a full fuel and water load. After the repair, we travelled across the Heather and Gunbarrel highways, up the Canning Stock Route, up to Roper Bar, across to Burketown and down to Mt Isa via Lawn Hill. We carried 235 litres of fuel and 150 litres of water at times on the CSR, went across atrocious corrugation, all without any problems with the reinforced chassis. If the poly airbags were the sole problem, surely even the reinforced chassis would have torn again. It hasn't, and it woudn't have in the first place if it had been built stronger. I'm told the mines are buying a lot of Patrols now since the new Cruisers aren't holding up, so time will tell if the Patrols will handle the mine work.
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