Patrol wheel came off..reasons?
Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:30
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93 Navara
Morning all,
My work entails the use of a Patrol which to date has only 8,000 kms on it. Whilst driving it yesterday I noticed a slight temor through the steering which I put down to a wheel being out of balance. The day prior it had been through some solid mud and is often the case, it collects and drys inside the rim, causing an inbalance. As we were on our way somewhere, decided we would clean properly once we arrived.
Didn't happen though. Withing a couple of kms, felt the feedback increase through a sharp corner and continue once I straightened up. Decided to pull over and whilst slowing down, an almighty crunch as the wheel came off and the Patrol dropped down onto the disc. Luckily we were down to 20kms at the time and stopped without incident.
Checked the studs which weren't stripped or snapped and appears the nuts have simply worked loose. Car was towed to Nissan for inspection and a safety check. Enquiried with our fleet management and were told it is the third Patrol to have this issue in the last few months. The pevious 2, Nissan dismissed as incorrectly tightened nuts, 'not withing the specified torque range'.
Wondering if there are more who have had this proble. All Patrols are curent models with the alloy rims. We're looking at requesting the steel rims as believe the alloys might be the problems. Your thoughts?
Reply By: Member - Sam (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:42
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:42
I have the 16" steel rims on
mine, and I have noticed once that if the wheel hasn't been place over the centre of the hub properly where it flares a bit, then what can appear to be a correctly seated wheel with all the nuts tightened is not.
The nuts then work loose once the wheel reseats itself. Happened to me once. luckily the nuts hadn't worked loose too much and no damage was done to the studs. But i double check this every time i change a wheel or have any work done on the truck.
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:44
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 10:44
Why would the alloys be the problem?
Millions of cars have them, and they don't fall off. I have a Jackaroo with alloys, and they haven't come loose in 145,000ks.
Could be cheap quality nuts, studs, nuts with wrong thread?
Were they all from the same dealer, in which case a refund of the dealer delivery fee might be appropriate since the things weren't pre-delivered properly.
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Reply By: DIO - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:11
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:11
Guess I'd be asking myself the following questions:
Who was last person to work on wheels (remove etc) on vehicle?
Were the wheel nuts actually tightened when wheel replaced?
If nuts were tightened, were they torqued to correct specifications?
Was the vehicle being adequately maintained and items such as wheel nuts checked particularly after rigorous activities?
Did some 'wally' place grease or other lubricant onto the threads thus providing the means for
the nut to work loose or not torque correctly.
It's a real problem if the wheels had been removed/replaced by someone other than yourself. Means that you can no longer (probably) trust them or their work ethics. After all it could have meant injury or even worse, death for you or some other road user.
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Follow Up By: Chris & Debbie - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 19:49
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 19:49
DIO
You are not a Wally if you put lubricant on the threads, this actually in the correct thing to do as it allows the nuts to be correctly torqued and stop galling of the threads which can lead to broken studs.
Nuts and bolts do not work loose because they have had lubricant applied, it is actually caused by the opposite.
Cheers
Chris
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Reply By: Philip A - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:31
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:31
Yes to all the questions, but it seems to happen more with recent Patrols than other vehicles.
Friend had it happen near
Barcaldine, with a 2002 3L with Mags.
It was just after he had had a tyre repaired at
Barcaldine and the RR said bye bye. They never found it.
He blamed the tyre place and I think they paid up, but there must be something in the design.
For example you very rarely hear of a Range Rover losing a wheel or breaking a stud.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: On Patrol (Aust.) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 18:28
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 18:28
Philip,
R R's dont travel far enough between dealer visits for this to happen LOL
Colin.
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Reply By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:38
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:38
Please check the archive from last year for more on this issue. Torque setting is critical with the alloy wheels.
Mine came off doing 100km on the citylink toll in
Melbourne.
Peter
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Follow Up By: 93 Navara - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:47
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:47
Peter, you don't have a link or thread number do you? Did Nissan accept any responsibility?
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:50
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:50
>> Did Nissan accept any responsibility?
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PS. accept any responsibility for?
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Follow Up By: Nick R (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 22:49
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 22:49
I think
mine was the last post on this when I lost one, hasn't been a problem since I bought a torque wrench and did the nuts to 100 foot pounds. lost
mine doing 100, that was a little gnarly!!!
Nick
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Reply By: 93 Navara - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:43
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:43
Thanks for the prompt replies. At a loss for the reason as to why it occurred. The vehicles it happened to are not seen by the same dealer. Our cars get a hard time and was hoping others who had it occur tot hem could offer a reason. Rediculous to claim torque settings when they need to be tightened on the side of the road, or worse, off road. Its not rocket science. Until we know further, they'll be checked whenever we fill up.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:51
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:51
Change to steel rims, and sell the alloys, they make good money since they are $800+each from nissan. Good quality Steels $100ea.
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Follow Up By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 12:00
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 12:00
Look at 34261 and 35665.
Nissan Australia accepted no responsibility (but they are certainly aware of the problem) my dealer paid all repair costs and they now use torque wrenches. I now use steel wheels for offroad trips on the new car.
Email me if you want more info.
Peter
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Reply By: 93 Navara - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 12:02
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 12:02
Unfortunately not our choice. Our government department won't alter the vehicles in way way without Nissan's say so.
Just wanted to know if any had similar issues when we front Nissan (if it is an ongoing problem), or whether after changing a flat we have to go and have it adjusted at a tyre
shop. Seems crazy
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Follow Up By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 12:28
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 12:28
Where are you? Have info for a SA dept and CSIRO that have had same issue.
email mcguckian at acer dot edu dot au
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Reply By: Skippy In The GU - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 13:32
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 13:32
There have been a few problems with the Series 1V patrols
It's always the left hand side that will come loose, I'm sure in the book it states check nuts soon after after fitting wheel on.
It's common practice when driving a truck
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Reply By: Skippy In The GU - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 13:32
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 13:32
There have been a few problems with the Series 1V patrols
It's always the left hand side that will come loose, I'm sure in the book it states check nuts soon after fitting wheel on.
It's common practice when driving a truck
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Reply By: Member Dublediff(VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 14:05
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 14:05
A problem with the first of SIII gu and mag wheels was the wheels coming loose. It was apparently the torque setting of the wheel nuts. These wheels do not have a steel sleeve in the aperature and as a result many wheels came loose. I believe they addressed the problem with fitting steel sleeves to the alloys - it was not a recall or retrofit, only to new vehicles. Maybe they have cut the corners again, I stand to be corrected on this, I have steel wheels on my GUIII, which by the way is for sale in traders - and a very nice rig if I do say so myself - so I don't have this problem, Cheers Eric.
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Follow Up By: 93 Navara - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 17:02
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 17:02
Dublediff,
Funny you mention the series 3 to the series 4. Our car is a series 4, but we ask for the 16 inch rims as the 17s appeared to have too many punctures. I assume these are old ones from the series 3?
Ben
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Reply By: garrycol - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 18:28
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 18:28
This is a regular problem with later model patrols - saw one sitting in a roundabout last year and the guy posted about it on this
forum.
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Reply By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 20:10
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 20:10
It happened to me a couple of years ago (GUIII Left rear) and I have reported it several times in this
forum. The answer according to my Nissan Dealer is in the owners manual. Tighten wheel nuts with a torque wrench to 98FP and
check the nuts after driving 20KM or so.
We have just done a trip down the
Hay River and I was looking around for other reports when I cam across this very relevant report with some excellent [pictures of a Gu with the same problem!
http://www.blognow.com.au/djolsen/46233/Trouble_in_The_Desert.html
Kingo
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Reply By: AndrewX - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 20:58
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 20:58
It was a Patrol .... that says it all .... you get what you pay for!! buy cheap and before long the wheels fall off lolol
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Reply By: AndrewX - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 20:58
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 20:58
It was a Patrol .... that says it all .... you get what you pay for!! buy cheap and before long the wheels fall off lolol
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Reply By: AndrewX - Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 20:58
Tuesday, Aug 21, 2007 at 20:58
It was a Patrol .... that says it all .... you get what you pay for!! buy cheap and before long the wheels fall off lolol
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