Safety Warning On Vehicle LPG Tanks

Submitted: Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 17:13
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For those of you who are not VKS Members this was in the latest Network News, I have always had the notion to just stay with diesel , The photo in the article does not look good either

The Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer, Chris Pearce, issued a safety warning to owners of motor vehicles which had LPG conversions or who had their LPG tanks retested between mid 2003 and August 2005.
"Since early 2005, there have been a limited number of pressure ruptures of LPG tanks on motor vehicles, so far without causing any serious injury. However, rupture of an LPG tank due to a build up of pressure can generate very significant forces with the potential for serious injury and damage to property. Most of these incidents involved vehicles with two or more LPG tanks fitted," Mr Pearce said.
The safety relief valve designed to relieve any adverse build up of pressure in the LPG tank/s may not function as intended, depending on the type of valve used and the torque levels used during installation.
If multiple LPG tanks are fitted and the fuel service line to the engine from one tank is closed, so that no fuel is used from that tank and it is maintained as a reserve tank, that tank may gradually overfill and may rupture if the pressure relief valve fails to operate correctly.
Motorists who had LPG tank installations or tanks retested between mid 2003 and August 2005, in particular if two or more tanks have been fitted, are requested to contact an LPG tank installer/fitting station to arrange an inspection and pressure relief valve replacement if required.
Vehicle owners should negotiate with the LPG installer/fitting station on an appropriate fee (if any) for any corrective action required. If the tank/s are "Manchester" branded tanks which were fitted between August 2003 and April 2005, these are subject to a voluntary recall and the pressure relief valves fitted will be replaced at no cost.
21 December 2006 MELBOURNE
Contact: Conor O'Brien - 03 9887 3890 or 0402 970 515
Obviously the people most in danger of harm resulting from a LPG tank rupture are the passengers in the vehicle as there is virtually no warning of an impending rupture. However dangers to other groups should not be ignored. These groups being other road users, occupants of buildings in which the vehicle is parked and emergency service personnel responding to an incident involving a vehicle fitted with one of these tanks.
So far experience shows that when a cylinder ruptures in this way:
• There is little or no warning
• There is often no resulting fire
• Severe damage to the vehicle results
Reprinted courtesy of the Victorian Country Fire Authority
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Reply By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 17:31

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 17:31
Doug.
I remember seeing a photo of a toyoya shortie many years ago that had a gas tank blow up.
The vehicle was found off the road sitting on a large clump of rocks.
Didn't mention what happened to the occupants.

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Reply By: Blaze - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 17:54

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 17:54
Doug,

I can't argue with the facts you have listed, but always amazed me how many drivers said they owned a Deisel because it was safer and then went and either put a couple of LPG bottles inside, on the roof or worse still on the back of the vehicle and thought this was OK.

I think taking into account that it seems there have been a bad batch of tanks supplied and hopefully every one will get theirs checked, if you look at the figures of Vehicle Gas Tank explosions they are very few compared to the numbers of vehicles out there now.

Have a fire fighter mate who informed me that in a fire a good quality gas tank is far safer than a new model plastic fuel tank, Petrol or deisel as they have a pressure blow off valve and this lets the gas excape in small bursts, not melt and aloww all the contents to ignite.

Heaven help us if we have to go to Hydrogen Cell vehicles when fossil fuel becomes to dear.
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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 20:43

Monday, Sep 17, 2007 at 20:43
Blaze


The article was about vehicles with more than one LPG tank. You should be okay.

Have you seen the film B.L.E.V.E. I know it was a lot bigger than a vehicle tank but an lpg gas bottle can cause a hell of an explosion.



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Follow Up By: Blaze - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 00:52

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 00:52
Kumunara, true point and yes I have seen the film B.L.E.V.E. I do believe we can take our fears a little to far at times. I am guessing you have seen what happens to a vehicle when B double throws its tread off when within 5 mtrs of an oncoming vehicle, opened it up like a can opener. If we worried about what could happen if we are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Speaking about the film B.L.E.V.E. , no one would fill up with any form of fuel at a servo that had a LPG tank onsite if you were that worried. As you can tell by my dwellings and gas tank next door, I will just depart this world quicker than anyone further away... Get a front seat while I wait at the pearly gates LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - CS (NSW/ACT) - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 09:53

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 09:53
Blaze,

I'm very happy with the safety of a good quality LPG tank!

During the Canberra bush fires in Jan 2003 the Duffy service station caught fire (along with a lot of houses etc). The huge LPG tank they had in their forecourt started venting due to the pressure build up in the heat, and produced a HUGE flame. But thankfully for all the residents and emergency services that was all it did. The pressure valve let the gas off safely and prevented any further damage.

Obviously that wasn't a car one, but the same design principles are involved, unless there's impact damage of course.

It was extremely impressive and VERY worrying to watch, but in hindsight I'm glad I got to see it :)

Cheers,

Chris
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Reply By: Phil.Fehlberg - Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 09:48

Tuesday, Sep 18, 2007 at 09:48
Gents,
I sent this link to my brotehr in law, who is in the industry and here is his reply:
The true story is as follows.
One manufacturer of a particular model of relief valve used commonly in forklift and some automotive tanks had a problem.
They modified the design of the valve that made it susceptible to damage if it was GROSSLY overtightened when being installed either by the cylinder manufacturer or the cylinder test station.
Instead of chasing down those who had failed to install them properly, the "powers that be" went after the manufacturer of the valve and issued a blanket recall.
The valve in question is marked SIDEK PRX, AGA 6394 2.55Mpa The problem is that it is a 3/4" NPT thread (a tapered thread).
Because the valve has a gap in the retainer that holds the spring in place, if the installer GROSSLY over tightens it, the body of the valve is more likely to distort than the previous design and may compromise the spring, thus altering the set pressure at which the valve would release. It should relieve at 2.55 MPa, but if damaged as described above, may not work at all.
As with most safety problems, it is usually a combination of more than one issue. In this case it is a less than ideal design change by the manufacturer, AND a failure of quality control procedures by the installer. Our records show that we installed more than 100 of these valves. We have no record of who were the end users, so cannot effect any sort of recall. However I am absolutely confident that NONE of the valves we fitted were so GROSSLY overtightened as to compromise their operation.
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