Hilux diesel life expectancy
Submitted: Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 14:58
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WillV
Hello,
My better half has been convinced by a dealer when she was looking at a secondhand hilux motor
home (2002) that the motor will easily last to do 600,000 km. I am trying to convince her to be realistic as to the expectations of buying this ex hire vehicle with >220,000 kms on the clock as to when it is likely to require major expensive work. I know it is guess work but I would expect that it would need a major motor rebuild at around 350,000 km mark and possibly other major work as
well around that time so allowance in pricing needs to take this into account.
What do more experienced people think?
Reply By: Footloose - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 15:16
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 15:16
Not sure about her model, but properly maintained larger diesel engines routinely pass the 500k mark without a rebuild.
However, you are also correct. At around 250k the pump, radiator, starter, cooling system, clutch etc etc etc can start to become expensive, even if the engine's OK.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 15:29
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 15:29
With these ex hire vehicles, it is often not the number of km, but the way they have been done.
You know the saying, drive it as if it's hired.
Up on the GRR and lots of other similar roads, you can tell the hire vehicles from
miles away by the dust cloud / speed.
They can still be good buys though, if from a company that does not shirk on maintenance. A matter of getting one at the right price to cover the risk I think. You might do better contacting the companies directly. If you could buy direct, you'd be cutting out the considerable profit made by the middle man (if there is one on the curent vehicle)
Although a different class of vehicle, in my previous life, I managed a 'transport' business that had about 50 Troopies as a part of the fleet. They carried heavy loads all the time. All had over 1 million km on the clock when I left the business. Some had been rebuilt, but not all.
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 18:32
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 18:32
The biggest problem facing smaller diesels is cylinder head issues.
Most are fitted with alloy heads and i've yet to hear of one that has not had issues within 300- 400 thousand ks. thats when the trouble begins, if the thing has over heated due to a gasket problem or whatever, the life of the engine can be reduced dramatically. Eg, spent last weekend helping my neighbour fit a second hand 2.8 l motor to his 91 mod hilux, it has 250,000ks indicated. It was head probs that destroyed the original engine.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: TD100 - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 20:37
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 20:37
Very true but you do get the odd one,an old company hiace(93 model 2.8 diesel auto)that i had was traded in with 664000k on it and the motor had never been cracked open.serviced every 10000k by the dealer.cheers Paul
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Follow Up By: MintabiePete (NSW) - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 20:39
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 20:39
The last time I worked on a Toyota 3L (2.8) diesel it had a cast iron head , but you are correct about the head problems . In all the ones I have worked on in the L series the thing that killed them was overheating and head cracking . I had a LN46 with a L (2.2 ) and when I wrecked it , it had
well over 500,000 k's , but the engine still went , and did not use all that much oil , and the motor is still most likely going in another Hilux :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 21:31
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 21:31
300,000k's on my old 89 LN106 hilux when I sold it. Head was taken off once at 170k cause it needed new glow plugs and the old ones had welded themselves in. The head didnt need shaving etc all was in top condition was purely for the glow plugs. Had one radiator replaced in 300,000k top tank cracked. Oil & filter was replaced every 5k without fail mostly at 4k and is still going like a dream to the bloke I sold it to. The only reason I sold it was we purchased a camper trailer and it was painfully slow uphills when towing and even on the flats with air on would struggle to sit on 90/100. Will the prado do the same klms without any major drama's who knows lets hope not. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 00:57
Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 00:57
Sorry the news is all bad My mate buoght his stepdads hilux 2.8 with about 250k n the clock meticulously cared for- within a year it had a new motor in it
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Reply By: madfisher - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 21:27
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 21:27
Will I work for a major hire co, and would not buy an ex hire vehicle unless I knew its history. We do try and maintain the vehicles we own but some still slip through the net eg
tarago that was 19000ks overdue for a service. Went out on long term hire, and when it was next back in the yard I checked it and had a heart attack. Still going fine mind you but would you buy it?
The funny thing is the dealer where we get them serviced reckons our cars go harder than average, is that because they are flogged lol.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 21:39
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 21:39
Hi Pete,its the same with cop cars. Some people wont touch them with a barge poll reckon they have had the ar se flogged out of them. Some have for sure but in saying that I had two of them and never had an issue with either of them both commodores one was the old VL turbo back in 1990 the other was a VP. Would I buy a Nissan Patrol turbo diesel from the cops no chance. Mate they jump in these things when cold hit the key and there flat to the boards then after flogging them down the freeway flatout they stop dead and switch them off, MMMM poor turbo still glowing red but at least I suppose they are serviced which is more them some private car owners do. Your probably like me and have heard the old saying "flog em when they are new and they will go harder" not sure how true that is. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 22:12
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 22:12
Hi Steve,
I drove concrete aggis a few years ago. One of the trucks went much better than the others, in fact it flew for what it was.
Turns out this truck was driven from
Melbourne to
bathurst flat stick all the way when brand new so must be somthing in it
I am sure vehicles that have been given a bit of stick have less carbon and gunk and glaze in them
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: wigger - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 22:00
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 22:00
Hi,
I'd be very sceptical of any 5 yr old hire vehicle that had only 220k
on the clock and would be trying to ascertain from seeing vehicles in the hire fleet, at what mileage they dispose of them. This is only the equiv of 1000kms per week and since most people are doing 400/500 just getting to work..........
If it's actually done more, then what the other guys are saying is even more relevant. Have the injectors been replaced etc
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 22:19
Friday, Sep 28, 2007 at 22:19
We have a falcon wagon purchased jan07 that already has 50000ks on it so it does seem a bit suss. Also Will not many 4 cylinder diesels go longer than about 400000ks so you are on the right track
Cheers Pete
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