GU fuel pump from sub to main tank

Submitted: Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 13:39
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Hi all, the pump on the sub tank of our GU has packed it in again, second one in two years, is there anyway that these can be repaired and if so, is there anywhere in Perth where it can be done. The cost of these items from Mr Nissan is over $700 which is a total rip off by anyone's standards!!!!!!

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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 13:43

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 13:43
Would an electric feul pump suffice,,, Autobahn, Repco, Burson's, or one of those aftermarket places should l have them .

Word of warning ,,, get a good one, I think about $100 should do, but I could be out of date with those prices.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 13:53

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 13:53
Thanks for the reply Bucky, Hubby has been making a lot of enquiries and they had all been saying that the pumps cannot be repaired and aftermarket ones don't fit or can't work, however he has just spoken to an auto lecy who seems to think that he can get one to fit so will look at that, cost about $200 which puts the cost of the pump in your price range.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:06

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:06
D
I said $100, because I looked at putting one on the Buggy (see My Rig foto's) just 18 months back, and that was the price then.
No doubt they have different flow rates, didn't need a lot for the buggy, only a VW engine..
Just remember that you will not need a hi flow rate, just one that will keep working.
I also do agree with another of the reply's, maybe try and find the cause. Then move on ,,, could be shyte in the sub-tank ???
Who knows

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Reply By: flappa - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:00

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:00
I would be concerned about why this is happening.

I had the fuel pump in my Patrol replaced a few years back.
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Reply By: lizard - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:38

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:38
Are you sure it's the pump , not the control unit ? Tried disconnectingbattery for 30 minutes to reset it ?
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Reply By: Member - Sam (NSW) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:40

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 14:40
I had mine seize up after it shorted as i think some dust/mud got in past the small breather on the unit.

After taking it out and trying to pull it apart, i just gave it a couple of hits and this loosened the unit it up and its been working since (this happened 12 months ago).

Must be something that is causing it to fail that quickly.
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Reply By: Grungle - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 19:29

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 19:29
Hi D,

No they cannot be repaired. I managed to get one apart and found that it is a pretty complex pump with its own circuit board that drives a solenoid and long 'pill' with a one way valve in it (not a rotary pump). The whole lot is sealed in the metal case with expanding foam and some bloody strong glue and a couple of bolts.

I am on my 3rd one now and would love to know why they die. First one used to got real hot before it died. Second one was a secondhand one and it died when I had 450Amps run through the chassis rail from the winch trying to find an earth. I just had it replaced under insurance with a new one a couple of months ago.

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David
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:05

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:05
Hows it going David,

Just interested to know how you knew the pump was heating up before it died ?

( Typed with zero sarcasm ! )

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: Grungle - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 19:29

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 19:29
I just noticed it one day when greasing my nipples (car that is - need I say?) and kept checking it afterwards. Only got hot when transfering fuel by switch and not startup. Wasn't long after that that it gave up (around 2 weeks from what I recall). Fitted the secondhand one and she would transfer the whole tank (around 75 odd litres) without an issue.

Regards
David
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 18, 2007 at 19:55

Thursday, Oct 18, 2007 at 19:55
Will have to check that out .

Glenn.
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Reply By: Member - shane (SA) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 19:49

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 19:49
cant see why an after market one will not work. all pumps are pushers or pullers, fast or slow transfer. with a relay off the original wires and a pusher like the one repco sell for carby cars, this should work. the pump will stop when it builds up pressure.
cheers, shane.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 19:49

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 19:49
It's strange to me....I owned my first GU from new in 2000 until earlier this year. Did about 212,000klm and never had any problems with transfer pump. Current Chev/Nissan Patrol is also a 2000 model and same thing (although I don't know for sure that previous owner/s didn't have a problem, there is no evidence from receipts I inherited etc).

One thing I always make sure with my Patrols is that there is ALWAYS a decent amount of fuel in the sub-tank. I have heard of some blokes who leave the sub tank empty and only fill it when they plan a longish trip. Bad idea as far as I'm concerned. I also make sure I use the transfer pump every time I am close to emptying the main tank....IE: I fill both my tanks and I always use both tanks (my sub tank is an aftermarket 80 litre jobbie too).

Now to the idea of a replacement pump..... I would recommend a FACET pump (Google is your friend). I cannot say whether it can be wired directly into the existing switch, but can't see why not; they both have a simple pos and neg wire. However, if for some reason it cannot be wired through the original switch's wiring, I would have no hesitation in wiring it up to another, separate switch......you would just have to remember to turn the pump off after the sub-tank gauge reached empty.

Facet pumps are about $100-.

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Giggi - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 21:05

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 21:05
Hi Roachie,

I am just reading your article and noticed that you mentioned that you have an after market 80 litre tank - could you please tell me what brand that is and how happy you are with it.

Thanks and cheers,
Giggi
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 21:57

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 21:57
No worries Giggi,

It is from www.4wdsystems.com.au and was about $600- from memory.

A mate and I fitted it ourselves, aided by the pit in his garage....just a few minor modifications to the rear bracket. It's a tight fit and you need small fingers etc

It's been in for about 20,000klm now, including a trip up through Oodnadatta, Chambers Pillar etc and have been VERY happy with it to date. I'm now considering a 176 litre main tank replacement from the same company if I can get it for the published price of $544- in their ad in current 4WD Monthly mag (sorry, it's now called 4WD Action mag).

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:27

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:27
I think Roachie has hit the nail on the head,

Remember reading somewhere , maybe the owners manual , that if you have a fuel in the sub tank the transfer pump runs for a while on start up. Guess it wouldnt do it if you keep it empty all the time. Then you have to give it a run to empty te sub , Do it all the time in my Patrol 2001 with no problems.

Hope this helps you out .

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:27

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:27
I think Roachie has hit the nail on the head,

Remember reading somewhere , maybe the owners manual , that if you have a fuel in the sub tank the transfer pump runs for a while on start up. Guess it wouldnt do it if you keep it empty all the time. Then you have to give it a run to empty te sub , Do it all the time in my Patrol 2001 with no problems.

Hope this helps you out .

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:29

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:29
I think Roachie has hit the nail on the head,

Remember reading somewhere , maybe the owners manual , that if you have a fuel in the sub tank the transfer pump runs for a while on start up. Guess it wouldnt do it if you keep it empty all the time. Then you have to give it a run to empty te sub , Do it all the time in my Patrol 2001 with no problems.

Hope this helps you out .

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:32

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:32
Guess I should have read further and not clicked more than once.
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Follow Up By: flappa - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:47

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 15:47
When my fuel pump failed , that was the reason given to me by the guy that picked up my vehicle. It was a common theme with the Patrols that people didn't leave fuel in the subtank and the pump subsequently failed.

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Reply By: wdric - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 21:33

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 21:33
An after market pump can not be wired in and the system work as standard because the subtank light will say on as the system will think there is an errror with it because it will know the factory pump is missing.

Having said that, as suggested previously it might be worth fitting an aftermarket facet pump with its own switch.
You will then need to turn it of when the main is full or the sub is empty and ignore the sub light (take out bulb) this will save you a few bucks. Also need to fit filter before pump.

I have heard the following coments from patrol owners, but never checked if they are correct:
Does the fuel system have a filter in the line before the pump?
Does the vehicle run the sub pump for a few second every time you start the vehicle (is your sub empty)
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 22:02

Monday, Oct 15, 2007 at 22:02
The standard set-up does not have an in-line pump before the transfer pump. I have fitted one to mine when I fitted the 80 litre sub tank.

Vehicle does indeed run the pump for about 10 seconds when the vehicle is started on EACH occasion. Hence the need to keep fuel in the tank ALL THE TIME. If you want to verify this aspect, just remove the main tank's fuel filler cap, start the vehicle's engine and quickly move to the rear of the vehicle and observe the fuel being pumped into the main tanks inlet pipe via a small fitting near the top.
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Reply By:- Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 00:00

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 00:00
Had a similar problem a few years ago with a F150. The pump in the auxiliary tank cacked it. So I installed a reciprocating pump to pump fuel from the auxiliary tank to the main tank and a switch on the dash. Worked great and cost well under a $100.00
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Reply By: David N. - Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 08:28

Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 at 08:28
I also recommend a Facet pump... there is no way I'd be refitting a $700 pump. I'd do what ever mods were required to get around that.
I use a Facet both for pumping from my aux tank and also feeding from my main tank, though a pre filter (Frantz) then factory filter to the injection pump.
Meanwhile my GQ has never had anything go wrong, and the only "parts" I've had to replace apart from filters/oil/grease/brake pads and the like are those silly plastic rear sliding window catches.

It is easily the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned, and by a huge margain! Why are the later ones less reliable? (Because they make no money on parts from people like me!)
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