split rim locking ring interchangeability

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Hi all,
I have a set of Nissan split rims which are rather old and a set of brand new 5 stud Toyota split rims ( which I bought for the tyres ), does anyone know if the Toyota locking rims will securely fit the Nissan rims as the Nissan locking rims are rather corroded.
Thanks in advance.
P.S They look the same.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 00:21

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 00:21
If you feel like having your bloody head or an arm taken off by a rim missile then go right ahead.
In other words don't even think about it, I have seen some silly questions on here but that takes the No 1 position,, Sorry if I am a very blunt but being involved in the trucking industry for many years and having read in the papers and heard the stories of the fatal accidents from Split Rims ..then too bad... and If i have insulted you then good It's for your own safety ..Just go and buy some new ones and live.

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Reply By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 00:26

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 00:26
A body shop technician was fatally injured by the split side ring of a multi-piece tire rim that
suddenly released. The victim had been rotating the two front tires on a 1995 bus brought in for front end alignment. Both
wheels were mounted on a five-spoke hub. The front right wheel had been removed and set aside, and the employee was
taking off the front left wheel. Four of the five rim clamps, studs and nuts had been removed when the side ring flew off,
striking the employee in the head and chest. The victim was taken to the hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
A multi-piece wheel has two or more parts. The side
ring holds the tire and other components on the rim wheel
by interlocking the components when the tire is inflated.
There are several variations
of a multi-piece rim, including
two-piece and three-piece
assemblies. The rim pictured
below is a tube-type demountable
rim assembly with a split
side ring typical of two-piece
assemblies. The parts are designed to allow the
split ring to fit snugly into the gutter on the rim
and hold the tire on the wheel when the tire is
inflated.
The split side ring markings were illegible because the ring had been painted over with black
paint four months earlier. When the paint was scraped off, the split side ring markings showed the
ring was mismatched with the rim base and had been damaged when it was mounted previously
or had been bent during the accident.
The victim had been disassembling the
wheel thinking that it had been put together according to the manufacturer’s
specifications. The employee had no reason to believe the
mismatched split side ring and the rim base were not properly seated.
The tire was properly inflated and had been driven for about four
months before the incident.
Conclusion:
Mismatched multi-piece wheel components led to the catastrophic
accident. OSHA standards clearly state that multi-piece components
should not be interchanged except according to appropriate charts and
the applicable rim manual. Other findings include:
 The split side ring was not completely seated and locked.
 Rim gutters and ring must be free of any surface rust that
could obstruct seating of the ring.
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Follow Up By: Ray - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 08:17

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 08:17
"tire" do we have tires in Australia?
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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 09:07

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 09:07
It was probably a Coopers LOL

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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 03:26

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 03:26
I'm a firm believer in the motto "If in doubt, don't!!", and the warning (above) about mis-matched components is very valid...

Having said that, it's entirely possible (probable, even??) that both Nissan and Toyota source their wheels from the same manufacturer...
I have no idea if this is so, but if it can be established as fact, then then there's every reason to suppose that the locking rings (for both makes) could have one & the same part#...

I'd be directing my inquiries to the respective parts departments to see if it can be established whether (or not) they are the same...

Once again,
If in doubt, Don't!!

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 05:32

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 05:32
Like Doug says, don't even think about it. Split rims are cheap.
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Reply By: Tyreman - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 10:26

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 10:26
being in the tyre game myself id have to agree with the above replys dont even think about it


cheers shane
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Reply By: datsuncredible - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 11:05

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 11:05
Thank you all for the advice, understand the dangers and totally agree with the don't do it if there is any doubt approach. Unless I can confirm it with identical part numbers from the original supplier I won't try it.
By the way the first reply was a nice welcoming to my first post...
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 11:29

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 11:29
Its not even advisable to swap the rings to different wheels of the same type.
However while the potentiol of split rims may be there i think the dangers are somewhat overplayed. especially with a few basic precautions.
Every reply here refers to truck/bus multi peice rims (a bit different) or things that have been read or heard.
I have never seen or directly heard of issues with 4wd split rims.
Obviosly though it could happen and there is more than enough info on a few basic precautions that can be taken either in the workshop or in the bush to manage any risk
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 11:52

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 11:52
I bought a split rim from a wrecker that was toyota 6 inch and the locking rim was toyota also, but from a 5.5 inch and wouldn't mount properly, after to-ing and fro-ing from the wrecker, they said I was doing wrong! , found that there different.
Still both toyota, but different,



IMHO don't
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Reply By: datsuncredible - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 14:16

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 14:16
Have to agree with you Davoe, no doubt there are dangers with split rims but of all the of the incidents that I have read about ( know of none first hand ) not one was from 4Wd splits.
Anyway after a morning of talking to a few people I learned that there are a couple of different types of locking rims, most are interchangeable, but some are not. The ones I have are interachangeable and are made by the same manufacturer being SDC and both to suit 16 x 5.50 rims all stamped into the rim.
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Reply By: obee - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 17:35

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 17:35
last time I tried to fit toyota rims to a nissan they would not fit over the hub. Something has changed?

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Reply By: datsuncredible - Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 17:44

Saturday, Nov 03, 2007 at 17:44
obee, I think you'll still have that problem swaping complete wheels over. All I'm doing is fitting the outer locking rim from Toyota splits to Nissan centres.
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