Blow off valve

Submitted: Monday, Nov 05, 2007 at 21:38
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Hey guys, have been reading up on BOV on turbo diesel's. I have a new Triton 3.2 turbo diesel. A lot of people say that it cant be done, but there is plenty of evidence that it can on youtube.comhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EijMeuxqDAA Just wondering if anyone has done it. My problem is finding a way to get vacuum when i back of the accelerator. Can anyone help.
Cheers Brendan
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Reply By: Rossco td105 - Monday, Nov 05, 2007 at 22:38

Monday, Nov 05, 2007 at 22:38
Hey Brendo,

Why do you want a blow off valve?

They are only necessary to prevent the sudden deceleration of the turbo turbine blades when the throttle body butterfly closes on petrol engines, (which also allows faster pick up when back on the throttle because the turbo is still spinning).

I don't know huge amounts about all the diesel engines out there, but as far as my limited knowledge goes most doesn't have a throttle body...

I'm sure others will be able to set me straight if this is incorrect.

Ross.

P.S. We have one on our WRX and it makes a big difference to boost response, and from what I can tell turbo longevity.
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Reply By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 07:59

Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 07:59
As poted above the reason for the BOV is to keep the turbo spooled. With a throttle, the pressure on the compressor casues the turbo to slow when the throttle is closed. The 3.2 Titon has no throttle and has a variable vane turbo which helps keep the turbo spooled when at lower revs. So no need for a BOV.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:45

Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:45
If you have an electric fan and you block the outlet, the fan goes FASTER.

This is because the there is now no air able to blow past the blades so the air just spins, reducing the load on the motor driving the fan.

The BOV prevents the turbo over-revving and prevents the over-pressure blowing hoses.
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:51

Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:51
Purpose
Blowoff valves are used to prevent compressor surge. Compressor surge is a phenomenon that occurs when lifting off the throttle of a turbocharged car (with a non-existent or faulty bypass valve). When the throttle plate on a turbocharged engine running boost closes, high pressure in the intake system has nowhere to go. It is forced to travel back to the turbocharger in the form of a pressure wave. This results in the wheel rapidly decreasing speed and stalling. The driver will notice a fluttering air sound.

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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:47

Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:47
"Hey guys, have been reading up on BOV on turbo diesel's. I have a new Triton 3.2 turbo diesel. A lot of people say that it cant be done,"

- what is "IT" that can't be done ????
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:06

Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:06
Why do you want a blow off valve?
To play boy racer and go 'whoosh' all over the place every time you change gear :o)
Havn't tried it, but .................
If you really have to, why not take the blow off hose from the waste gate and put a blow off valve on the end, with the whistle you want.

The waste gate blow off is plumbed back into the intake manifold by Mitsu. Remember to block off the hose inlet on the intake manifold. Bit of hose and screw would do it.

Now it can be a bit of fun for a lark, but you do get fed up with it.
In playing with the boost on my pajero, I over boosted it and the manifold safety valve would let go with a big whoosh. Could do it in 1st, 2nd and 3rd with 3000rpm. Good fun in the city with all of the young uns around and me going whoosh taking off from the traffic lights, and they all look and see it is an old bloke in an old diesel pajero. Won't describe the look , you can imagine:o). Only did it one night for a stir. Got fed up with it. The paj actually was faster block to block than some of the ricers since I could do 50km/hr over the speed bumps while they would only do 10. But they were a bit faster taking off from the lights. :o)
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:38

Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:38
Classic!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 16:35

Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 16:35
What brendo might be talking about is putting a boost controller on the control line / sensor line from turbo outlet to the waste gate.

Did it on my paj to get 15 psi instead of the stock 11 psi, but then my injection and waste gate system is completely mechanical.

Not sure how the 3.2 waste gate senses pressure, and is it mechanical or electrically controlled? It might be easier to upgrade the chip.

Mike DiD would have a better idea.
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Reply By: brendo - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 18:42

Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 18:42
hey the new 3.2 turbo diesel wastegate is operated by a vacuum switch. The switch has constant vacuum to it, as does the wastegate. When the throttle is backed off the switch closes and vacuum is no longer at the wastegate(Goes to atmosphere 0 on the boost gauge). When there is no vacuum the wastegate opens.

I know i need vacuum when i back off for the blow off valve to work. Just not to sure how i can achieve this without the use of another pressure switch or something.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:36

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:36
The Pajero NS Manual DiD has a pressure sensing diaphragm in the inatake manifold. When the pressure exceeds the limit, the blowoff valve opens allowing the exhaust gases to bypass the turbo directly to the exhaust. To change the blowoff point you would need to change the spring pressure on the diaphragm.

The NS Auto DiD has a Variable-Geometry Turbo rather than a wastegate. The amount of drive to the turbo is controlled by moving the vanes using a vacuum-driven controller. The Engine ECU sends a signal to a solenoid which increases or decreases the vauum going to the controller.
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