What fuel is used to replace super?
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 20:31
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Member - Shane D (QLD)
How do the good citizens get around in the more "authentic" mode of motor vehicle that used to run on super.
Do you use ordinary unleaded with some sort of supplement, or will high grade unleaded do, I see a fair few clunk. . . . "trusted" cars that I wouldn't think that had spent money on, doing up valves/heads that would suit std unleaded, or are they just being driven till they die?
Shane
Reply By: Kiwi & "Mahindra" - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 20:39
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 20:39
Sell Valve Saver at work....
well my old work..still nath's work....cannt remember the ratio...someone will know.
people would use that with ULP but have also heard that PULP is recommended....more slimy....better protection????
Laura
I thnk people use to use a 250ml bottle for 50lt...???
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Follow Up By: Ray - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:50
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:50
Would a Flash Lube dispenser work O.K. like those fitted to LPG vehicles? I have run one on an 80 ser. for a long time now but use good quality two stroke oil.
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:59
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:59
Gday
The flash lube will work better than nothing...it is quite ok to use diesel in them to lube the valves...as long as
the drip rate is adjusted accordingly. Having said that, my dad runs a 1984 2 litre sigma on premium unleaded only and gets good results. One day the valves will go in it, but i dont think he will need to worry about that...he is 86. Normal unleaded doesnt run
well in his high compression motor, it pings and has no power and uses heaps of fuel. Premium brings it back to normal.
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 20:45
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 20:45
Heard recently that ULP is often as low as 85 octane. Use that and you should be able to detonate your way to an early rebuild :)
To replace Super you have to use PULP, plus a lead substitute additive.
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Reply By: Louie the fly - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 20:46
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 20:46
Kind of depends on what engine it is as
well. I have a 54 Dodge with a 6cyl. side valve engine. Designed to run on Standard but I run it on regular unleaded (till I broke it recently) as it has hardened valve seats in the block as a standard thing. But if its a 60's Holden or something OHV (yuk) you will need a supplement. Got a feeling lead was only added to petrol in the 50's some time to solve the problem of valves embedding into the valve seats.
Could be wrong though.
BTW, I need a starter motor for a 230 inch Dodge.
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 20:52
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 20:52
ULP and a dab of Flash Lube(Upper cylinder lubricant)...about 10ml per tankful. This is what I used in the Valiant when motoring around.
Cheers
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Reply By: TD100 - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 21:29
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 21:29
Shane,my outlaws have a ZL fairlane(85)which was a super model,he has run 91ron unleaded since they got rid of super(didnt even use that lead repl fuel)with a valve saver additive bought in 86 with 43k on it,now has 670k and still running like a top,no missing or burnt valves,so there goes needing hardened valves and seats theory.cheers Paul
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 21:53
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 21:53
Paul,
Unleaded fuel became compulsory on new vehicles on 1st July 1986. Many manufacturers had made their vehicles compatible before that date. There used to be a list (that I've long lost) that said what pre '86 vehicles were OK on unleaded. Its possible that the Fairlane was compatible all along.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 21:47
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 21:47
Depends on vehicle.
1. Can turn back the timing a degree or two little and run ULP.
2. Run ULP with some valve saver if 91 octane OK.
3. Run 98 octane with some valve saver if higher compression, but 98 octane is lighter than super so engine will run a little lean unless you retune.
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Follow Up By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 13:14
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 13:14
most higher octane fuels are denser,
well i know of the
caltex 98 as i work for them for a few years
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 22:21
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 22:21
Thanks for all the info fellas, I havent owned a vehicle that use super since 1993, needed to know for play thing.
Shane
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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 22:47
Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007 at 22:47
In my early model Commodore, i use ULP, and add 1 ml Flashlube per litre of ULP. As i understand it, using the more expensive PULP won't be of additional benefit.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 00:17
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 00:17
Depends obviosly but for my 1978 camper standard ULP made it ping - you can reduce the advance on the timing but that robs power
LRP now that was evil plug fowling stuff
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 09:31
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 09:31
Motherhen, we have two cars in the family (78 GTi Golf and race beetle) that are running 10:1 compression, so need 98 octane.
Another one (stock 74 beetle) runs 8:1, and runs fine on ULP - 91 octane. All have hardened valve seats.
Friend with XF ford ran ULP and put some metho in as octane booster. About 1/2 cup a tank. Doesn't do the fuel seals in the carby any good though, so only used when towing to stop the pinging. With the timing turned back about 1 deg, ran fine on ULP - 91 octane.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:07
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:07
Yes but Old plodder we had a beetle as
well (
well mum and dad did) and from memory it ran on Standard (remember that!!) which waslower octane than super so it would be ideal for reg unleaded
All XF were built to run on normal unleaded because when they came out tht is all there was premium etc came later
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 01:21
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 01:21
Opal!!!! Bullcough bleep !
Its cheap, makes your car run proper good, and you get better MPG...
Joking!!!
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Reply By: Mark & Jo, S/side, Bris - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:45
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:45
Pajero definately runs better on Premium unleaded.
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Reply By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 13:21
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 13:21
Most alloy head vehicles where setup to run ulp, i have found the list of vehicles which can run straight ulp and which you may have to use a lead replacement in with the fuel.
List of cars able to run ULP pre 86
if you can't get lrp or flashlube use a capfull of auto trans fluid a mechanic up my way uses it as suggested it to me. I'm only putting this in as a alternative if you can't get any flashlube.
Also too most older cars will run on 95 or 98 octaned fuel with some tunung best person to talk to is your mechanic as he is in hte know.
Most alloy headed vehicles have the hardend valve seats and guides, mainly stainless steel as they wear less then hardend steel.
I hope this helps???
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