Power Steering Fluid Replacement ?
Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:53
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Member - Glenn D (NSW)
Does anybody bother changing power steering fluid.
Just having a look at the service requirements in the Patrol manual , all other fluids have a kilometre or time limit , power steering just says inspect for every service.
Is the life of the fluid longer than the life of the vehicle in this application ?
Hopefully someone can steer me in the right direction
Glenn.
Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:20
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:20
Hi Glen
I change
mine each year.
The oil gets a bit tired with the heat.
Ray
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Follow Up By: Old Johno [NSW] - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 17:43
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 17:43
I am looking at doing a change but am not real sure where to drain it from.
Can you help
Thanks
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Reply By: Garbutt - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:39
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:39
Likewise, I change
mine according to the service schedule. It goes off colour a bit when it's been thre too lonmg, instead of a
bright red colour it can look a bit browny/burnt red.
GB
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Reply By: redfive - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:40
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:40
Hi Glenn
I do it every year too better too better to be safe than sorry in the middle of know where and its easy to do also
Glenn
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:47
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:47
Hi Glenn,
Neither my Mav (GQ) nor my current GU specified any service period for the steering fluid - only for its level to be checked at intervals.
But the dealer still changed it when they reckoned it looked a bit old.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 00:58
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 00:58
Joc
Old is too late needs replacing when needed and not before..
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:50
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:50
You can get an in-line filter for the return line and it picks up any foreign particles etc.
this also stops wear on your pump and steering box.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 01:00
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 01:00
Thats good advice, where can you get these return line filters from 96,, I would be interested...
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: 96 GXL 80 series - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:18
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:18
The filter is called Magnefine.
Made in Australia by Boss Components
Ph 9699 5099 fax 9699 4698
My son gave me this one to try and he too has one on his car, and has not had a problem with his in over 3yrs.
I aim to also get another for our other vehicle.
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Follow Up By: 96 GXL 80 series - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:20
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:20
I forgot to mention that you can use them both on power steering and Automatic transmissions.
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Reply By:- Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:51
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:51
AFAIK it does not need to be change each year - IMHO it is definitely overkill. Plus it is very difficult to change it properly - system need to be flushed couple of times (i.e. time and 5L of fluid). With my cars of known history I change it once per 5 years or when I see it gets discolored or dirty. With each "new second-hand" car I change all fluids immediately after purchase.
Cheers.
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Reply By: David N. - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 12:34
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 12:34
If it's a clear red (NOT BROWN colour) then it's fine.
ATF as in your power steering will look and smell "off" if it's had it's day.
I've known GQ's do 500k ++ without ever having Power steering fluid replaced.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Douglas M (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 13:37
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 13:37
I change
mine every time someone thinks that's where you top up the radiator overflow reservoir!
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Reply By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 21:32
Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 21:32
G'Day Glenn
In SWMBO's Commodore, It has a self cleaning system. I put it in the top and it then slowly comes out the bottom some where. Has worked fine for us the last few years!! LOL
Cheers Stefan
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Reply By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 04:17
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 04:17
Thanks for the info everyone,
Looks like I just got another job to do.
Glenn.
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 07:26
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 07:26
Hi Glenn
You did not say what type of truck you own.
1; But the easiest way is to remove the lowest hose and let the fluid drain out.
2; Reconnect the hose and refill
DO NOT START THE ENGINE
3; Lift both front wheels off the ground
4; Now turn the steering slowly from lock to lock
5; Top up to the correct level Wheels straight
6; Repeat 4
7; Repeat 5
8; Repeat 4 and 5 until the level remains constant
9; Start engine and let it idle. Now repeat numbers 4,5 and 8. Do not hold the steering on full lock, just turn up to it then back off, you may have to do this a number of times.
10;
Check for oil leaks
Some trucks are easier to do than others.
The low pressure hose is the best one to remove it is usually the one with hose clips the high pressure one is bolted on.
If you do remove the high pressure fitting make sure that you use new soft copper washers when refitting or they will leak.
Some brands use aluminium washers, I am not a fan of these
Good luck
Ray
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 20:41
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 20:41
Thanks for the tips Ray,
Of course I have a Patrol or I wouldnt be working on it. Theres also a
pic at the bottom of the post !
Thanks
Glenn.
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Reply By: blown4by - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 15:47
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 15:47
I change & flush
mine when it is not
bright cherry red and use fully synthetic ATF same as the auto tranny and t/fer case. Don't forget there is a small strainer on the return side inside the reservoir which you need to reach in through the filler cap opening with long nose pliers to remove the small wire clip and then carefully, without crushing, remove the strainer and wash it in petrol. Personally I find it easier to drop off both the hoses from the reservoir and remove it from the vehicle, remove the strainer, wash both in petrol, blow dry and use plug or cap or just tape over the return port, fit the suction line, fill the reservoir and put the return line in an ice cream container and start and quickly stop the engine topping up the reservoir between starts and keep doing this until clean oil comes back via the return line then quickly refit the return line so not much oil is lost then top up to the full mark and forget about it for another 40000k's. Some people would say this is overkill but if you see the colour and crap that comes out when one is left too long and in any case a few litres of oil is cheaper than steering boxes and pumps. That oil is continually circulating all the time the engine is running and the pump and reservoir are both in fairly warm location.
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 20:45
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 20:45
Hows it going Blown,
I was thinking of draining the reservoir with a syringe topping it up then repeating.
Your post has made me feel too guilty to do that cause I have left it so long.
Thanks for the info.
Glenn.
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Follow Up By: blown4by - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 23:33
Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 23:33
Glenn, that is OK but you would be mixing the dirty oil that is trapped in the system with the clean oil in the reservoir when the old oil in the system return to the reservoir. You need to drop the return line off into a separate container to collect all the remaining oil in the system & reconnect the line when clean oil comes back via the return hose. Sounds comolicated and messy but it is actually pretty simple. It must be, even I can do it. Not much different to changing the auto trans fluid except it takes about 16 litres to make you you have replaced/displaced all the old oil or when you flush the brake fluid you just keep on bleeding each caliper bleed screw starting at the furtherest away from the master cylinder until clean fluid come through. Some will scoff but you can actually feel the brakes actuating more responsively after the fluid is flushed because all that black gunge makes the pistons move more sluggishly not to mention all the moisture you get rid of which can cause the fluid to boil and produce air in the sytem which as you know is compressible so it is all "downhill" from then on:-) I have never had to replace a caliper, wheel cylinder or any seals in the brake system in any vehicles I have owned over 40 years.
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Saturday, Nov 10, 2007 at 09:51
Saturday, Nov 10, 2007 at 09:51
Gave the syringe thing a go and realized it was a time waster.
I had a bit of tube that fitted over the return line and drained into a bottle , this took less time than trying to sort the syringe way out.
The fluid that came out was really black , in the future inspecting it will have to mean more than seeing if theres any fluid in the reservoir.
Glenn.
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