Battery Explosions
Submitted: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 20:00
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nick
Can anyone clear up whether there is an explosion risk mounting wet batteries inside the vehicle.
After reading the archives of 31st Dec 2002 I am unsure.
I would like to mount an "Exide Extreme" wet battery in the rear toolbox of my Series 3 LR, is there a risk of explosion from a build up of hydrogen gas on charging? I hope not as the alternative is a real pain in
the neck.
Are people out there sucessfully running wet lead acid batteries inside vehicles?
Thanks in advance for a quick reply.
Reply By: nick - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 21:26
Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 21:26
Kev: That has been mentioned, it is easy for me to do and I probably will do it for peace of mind.
Big
John: Yes, I used to have a Type 2, the fuel lines used to chafe on the firewall!
It sounds as if the gas build up will not be a problem, something which my common sense tells me.
The guy at the exide centre told me a sealed battery was required, maybe he was being a little over cautious.
Thanks for your
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Regards
Nick.
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Follow Up By: nick - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 22:09
Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 22:09
While I'm on the subject....
What sort of capacity are people using (Ah)
I'm running a fridge, UHF, and some lights.
Is 100Ah too much? I was thinking about 85 Ah
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Reply By: Bob Vella - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 11:28
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 11:28
If the battery is not overcharged the amount of hydrogen gas produced is low low low
Hydrogen gas would go straight to the roof and would be mixed by the time it got there. Definitely not sufficient quantity of gas could be produced by a battery to produce an explosion in normal charging.
You should make sure the battery is fastened down with normal cross the battery clamp
Heaps of people run batteries inside vehicles and boats
My cruising yacht has 4 batteries
2 wet cranking mounted next to the engine
2 wet deep cycle mounted in the bottom of a galley cupboard
The cupboard gets opened once a day as the vegies are in the upper shelves so any hydrogen that may be there would escape
Most yachts up to 12 meters have batteries in the cabin or internal space somewhere
Pajero has wet deep cycle battery mounted in the back built into some plywood shelves
Used the same system in my previous Pajeros
Found the sealed cells unreliable with not sufficient capactiy for the size and very expensive
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Reply By: David N. - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 12:07
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 12:07
Batteries do explode..... very very rarely.
Bear in mind you need hydrogen gas AND an ignition source. I would say most explosions are where heavy, often OVERcharging, is involved, and then when the charger lead is removed without turning it off, a spark is created and bang.
In a properly installed (appropriate venting) and maintained system with proper maintennance and due common sense- your chances of an explosion are close enough to zero for it not to be a problem.
If you use your head and remember the above reqs for an explosion to occur (gas buildup + spark) then you're far more likely to be hit by a falling tree then injured because your battery explodes.
I have had batteries in boats, cars and caravans since I was a primary school student (I wired up my father's trailer sailer when I was about 12) and have never had a problem. Like I said- just use your head and if ever you are connecting or disconnecting a lead make sure that
1 The battery has been off charge for some time
2 It's
well ventilated.
3 The charger or circuit is turned off ie: no reason for a spark
I would not waste the money on a sealed battery- even these can give off gas if overcharged. (they all have some sort of valve to relieve overpressure- otherwise they could explode!!)
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Follow Up By: David N. - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 10:11
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 10:11
I don't think you'll ever have a problem with smell etc. but if you're concerned it's very easy to make a sealed marine plywood box with a sealed lid to which you fit a vent hose- I wouldn't bother with this but it is an option if you're concerned.
Modern good quality batteries (the "low maintennance" variety) don't give off nearly the amount of gas etc of older batteries. Do get good semi sealed batteries (ie: a battery you can top up), but don't waste your money on sealed for three reasons... very expensive, and can still give off fumes, AND you can't top them up to prolong their life -often necessary esp with aux batteries as they often cop a bit of an overcharge.
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Reply By: colin - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 02:12
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 02:12
have spoken to
old truck drivers driving the old mercedes benz trucks, the battery was fitted under the drivers
seat, when they traveled over rough roads the gas from the batteries filled the cab, so they ennded up fitting the batteries outside the cab. if you nwant to fit batteries inside the cabin seriously look at sealed batterys which will solve your pob. Batterys are a real explosive and fire danger and i say this from working in a desert enviroment with trucks and have seen vehicles and truck mounted caravans catch fire from poorly mounted batterierys, my opinion no batteries in a cabin of a 4x4 or caravan or any where that is inclosed , I SAY THIS FROM EXPERIENCE, same as smoke alarms in the
home,. Col
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Follow Up By: tex1972 - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 21:13
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 21:13
I've seen a Case Vibromax Roller roll over and pour acid into the cabin from a battery that is mounted under the
seat.I'm pretty sure the army has gel cell batteries fitted if the batteries are in the cabin of a "vehicle".Also had a few apprentice related explosions from anglegrinders and jump starting.Brad
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