Battery Charger Query
Submitted: Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 10:32
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Does anyone know of a Battery Charger that will charge and cut out on demand two 100 Trojan Deep Cycle Batteries running in Parallel? The idea is to hook this up to the Batteries and when I want to go away they will always be fully charged. I have just brought the Batteries and they were not fully charged ( I reckon about 50% ) and it took me days to charge them.
Reply By: Dargo Mathews - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 11:23
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 11:23
Trojan deep cycle batteries are not designed to accept float charging.
Suggest you read the instruction sheet and technical information you should have been supplied with the batteries. From the supplied instructions you should have received it says "Periods of inactivity can be extremely harmful to lead acid batteries." It then goes on to tell you how to store,
check and maintain Trojan batteries. Float charging Trojan batteries is not recommended.
Trojan batteries are more suitable to a constant use cycling application like connected to solar panels and a use supply like a shed/house/campervan.
Trojan batteries are not suited to auxillary battery occassional or emergency type use. You would be better off with a conventional lead acid deep cycle battery. This could be a case of where the battery supplier has sold you the incorrect battery type for your application.
If the batteries were only 50% charged, it proves the batteries from when they were filled with acid have not been maintained correctly in a stored state.
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Reply By: David N. - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 12:45
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 12:45
IMHO
Float charging at the correct voltage BETWEEN use won't hurt them at all- quite the opposite! What they are getting at is they don't recommend that continuously eg. month after month, year after year and as the SOLE means of recharging- it won't charge them properly. Any battery which is damaged from "float" is because the voltage is wrong...(too high.) For float the secret is to get the voltage down to the point where the battery is not gassing ie:losing electrolyte- needing regular topups. The voltage needed for float is a lot less than that needed for a proper charge. ( say 13.4 vs 14.2v )- but it varies depending on the battery and the temp. There's a huge amount of info available in some decent libraries, and no doubt on the web.
Certainly yes they should have been more than 50% charged- but sadly very few battery suppliers EVER charge batteries which have been sitting around for a while.
Best option is to buy your battery from somebody with lots of turnover ie: buy a battery which is new- not been sitting around for 6- 12 months.
As for chargers there are a huge range with auto cutout or you can buy the kit to modify a charger (available from DSE or Jaycar) With these kits you can adjust a variable resistor to get desired voltage.
You can also buy "3 stage" chargers but of course these cost more $$. You could have two chargers- one with some grunt to charge them properly and then one small one with a circuit to float it at the desired voltage. This works very
well for me. (Have some very old deep cycle batteries still going strong!)
Hope this helps.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Dargo Mathews - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 16:47
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 16:47
David N you need to read and digest the information sheets that comes with Trojan batteries for correct and proper charging and storage.
Battery suppliers like ourselves do not fill batteries till they are needed
If we do fill batteries and they sit around for longer than we anticipate we would then charge the units.
Our business only fills batteries that we are fairly confident of selling in the next 2 weeks
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Reply By: Rod - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 17:01
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 17:01
From the Trojan Website:
'Trojan recommends using a 3-stage charger. Also called "automatic", "smart" or "IEI" chargers, these chargers prolong battery life with their
well programmed charging profile. These chargers usually have three distinct charging stages: bulk, acceptance, and float.'
I recently bought a new Trojan Deep Cycle and was not supplied with a sheet. Thanks for
the tip as I'll go back an ask for one as I can't find your advice on the website. I don't doubt you, I too want to do the best thing for the battery.
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Follow Up By: Member - NOBBY - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 19:12
Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 19:12
OK. Guys. Put the mouthguards away and shake hands. All I want to know is what do I use to solve my problem? How do I charge the two Trojans without taking them out of the trailer and doing them seperately?
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Reply By: Peter - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 11:44
Friday, May 30, 2003 at 11:44
Look at a WACO MBC 800 series It is a switched mode (Like in a PC) power supply and has a 8AH continious charge rate. When battery is charged to 95 %, it goes into float mode.
the peak voltage is 14.1
Thes are available from batteryworld shops. Call Waco for more info
They are about 100 dollars
I would recomend a high current plug and socket wired to battery and charger so to get rid of gater clamps
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Reply By: Member - Nigel - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 23:15
Friday, May 30, 2003 at 23:15
Buy the highest amperage fully automatic charger you can afford. Many cheap ones tend to overcharge when they have supposedly switched themselves to float.
If your batteries are 200 Ah then it will take a small charger a long time to switch to float.
I use a LEAB and find them good. As
well as all the programs and sensing, they will switch to float after 24 hours if they haven't already to avoid cooking the batteries.
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Reply By: Wazza (Vic) - Saturday, May 31, 2003 at 01:43
Saturday, May 31, 2003 at 01:43
For your interest,
check out:
http://www.projecta.com.au/
and their catalogue:
http://www.projecta.com.au/email_catalogue.pdf
I use the AC250B to keep both batteries charged on the car while I am away. (I work a rotation of 6 weeks at sea and 6 weeks break). Both batteries are Exide Extremes (ie, I know they are not Trojan deep cycles), however their catalogue may be of interest to you. Cost me $60 at Autobarn, however K-Mart had them a bit cheaper at $55. I get my housemate to flick a switch every weekend that changes the charge from main battery to accessory battery and vise versa, so they are only connected half the time. Had problems with the starting battery being flat every time I came
home. ARB replaced battery under warranty, even though technically my fault for letting them discharge too far.
Works for me.
Cheers,
Wazza
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Follow Up By: Member - NOBBY - Sunday, Jun 01, 2003 at 19:25
Sunday, Jun 01, 2003 at 19:25
Thanks for that info. That is what I wanted, not all the scientific stuff.
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