Battery Charging Time - How Long?

Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 09:45
ThreadID: 52443 Views:5562 Replies:6 FollowUps:7
This Thread has been Archived
I have a 100 amp hour AGM mounted in the back of my Triton running my 80l Waeco fridge only. When I charge this battery it takes about 36 hours to re-charge with the fridge connected and still running. I am using a 15 amp projecta battery charger with a cut out mechanism when fully charged. I have read on another thread these batteries should only take overnight or even less than that to charge. How come mine is taking so long? Is it because the fridge is connected at the same time?
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Gronk - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:01

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:01
Yep.......also depends how flat the batt is.....the charger may only be putting out 10A and your fridge might be pulling 7.5A so the charge time will be fairly long.. although the fridge should be cycling so 36hrs seems a bit long ??
AnswerID: 276046

Reply By: Hughd - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:20

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:20
If you really want to explore all the ramifacations of battery charging, I recommend this site:
http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm#What%20is%20a%20Battery?
AnswerID: 276047

Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:29

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:29
The projecta AC1500 is 15A RMS! The actual maximum output is 10A (10,000mA at 12v).

With a cut-in at 13.4v and a cut-out at 14.2v on the charger, it may not be fully charging the AGM battery......others may better answer that question.

Andrew
AnswerID: 276048

Follow Up By: Grassparrot - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:35

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:35
Im fairly happy with the battery performance as I'm getting 5 days out of it before charging and I only drive for about 30-40 minutes a day. It would be good if longer performance could be obtained.
0
FollowupID: 539936

Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:42

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:42
silly question.....how does the charger sense that it has fully charged the battery??? if it was sensing current draw, then it may be timing out rather than cutting off. I may be well off the mark here, and will know doubt be corrected, it's just a remote guess....

Andrew
0
FollowupID: 539938

Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:44

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:44
i'll correct myself thanks:-) i was wrong....

Andrew
0
FollowupID: 539939

Reply By: disco1942 - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:55

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 10:55
If your battery is fairly flat it will not absorb the rated current of a battery charger, particularly if it has a large rating compared to the battery size. As the charge level of the battery rises and may reach the current that the charger has set as the limit of the charger. This is referred to as the bulk charge. The bulk charge current most probably reach the limiting current of the charger but if the battery is a little sick it may not reach this limit.

When the battery terminal voltage reaches the maximum charge voltage set by the manufacturer, the charge current will start to reduce. This takes place at around 70% of the maximum charge level of the battery. The charging from this time on is referred to as the absorption charge. This is done with a reducing level of current to prevent excessive gassing in flooded batteries or the give the recombination process time to work in sealed batteries (if the recombination of the electrolyte does not take place the battery vents the gasses into the atmosphere and the battery looses water.) This process takes several hours - until the current reduces to an amp or two and the charger voltage is dropped automatically to the float voltage

Running a fridge at the same time reduces the current available for battery charging. There is nothing wrong with using the charger to run the fridge whilst charging the battery, but you have to make allowances for the extra time required to fully charge the battery. Also you must remember that the claims of quick battery charging times is often made by people who who are not really fully charging their battery.

Remember -you can not calculate the time required to charge a battery by saying a battery takes 20% more current to charge it than has been drawn from it, calculating the current required and then divide the result by the maximum rated current of the charger. Your battery may not be able to draw the maximum current over its bulk charge period and the last 30% may take a lot longer than the bulk charging time.

If you quoted your model number of your battery charger we also may have been able to give a little more information regarding times to you. There is also an interesting piece at the bottom of the page regarding the output current on this page of the Projector web site. Have a read and see if you can make sense of it.

PeterD
PeterD
Retired radio and electronics technician

Lifetime Member
My Profile  Send Message

AnswerID: 276053

Follow Up By: Grassparrot - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 12:20

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 12:20
Peter,

Thanks for the info. It has alleviated my fears I may have something wrong. I do have the projecta AC1500 and according to the charge time in the specs plus I have the fridge running at the same time my charge time looks normal as far as I can see. Was a little worried for a minute when I saw others charging in much shorter time frames.
I'm no that experienced/knowledgeable with batteries and did all my initial research a few months ago on this site and the infromation was excellent.

Grassparrot
0
FollowupID: 539952

Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 12:23

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 12:23
The ONLY way the charger can sense if the battery is fully charged is by detecting when the current drawn by the battery drops below a preset level.

Every time the compressor starts, the current increases so the charger assumes the battery is not charged.

AnswerID: 276066

Reply By: Ozboc - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 16:24

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 16:24
hi i ran my Deep cycle battery pretty low also --- light in the Jayco were only a medium glow rather than the nice bright glow -- took almost 36 hours to fully recharge ( without any load on battery's - in my garage )

battery is only 2 months old


Boc

AnswerID: 276102

Follow Up By: Grassparrot - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 16:30

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 16:30
Boc
I'd ran mine low enough last week that the waeco cut out. Previously it had not but still took about the same to charge under load. Mine is only about 1-2 months old as well. I'm happy with the time I'm getting out of it, just the charging time was worrying me until this post has filled me in on a few things.
Grassparrot
0
FollowupID: 539986

Follow Up By: disco1942 - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 17:51

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 17:51
Boc

If you have the original 12 V power supply that was fitted to a Jayco van then it is not a very good charger. Generally they are described as good for maintaining charged batteries. If you are going to camp off power,come into a powered site for a night or two and go back out to a non powered camp site then you had best get yourself a 3 stage charger to replace the Setec.

PeterD
PeterD
Retired radio and electronics technician

Lifetime Member
My Profile  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 540000

Follow Up By: Ozboc - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 19:55

Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 at 19:55
Disco1942- Not sure what is standard equipment in the Jayco ( flamingo) but i do have the converter in there - 240 v to 12 v - never had a battery in there until i bought it and installed one - i wired it into the 12v side of the transformer - which i now know slowly drains the battery if i leave it hooked up for any extended period

I don't use the on board charger to charge the battery - i actually take the battery out and charge it in my garage.

and i am guessing that 99% of our camping is going to be away from powered sites , hence the reason i got the OUTBACK version- have no interest in a caravan park - want to be away from people .....

i do have a generator but its kind of large and stays at home till i make up a mounting bracket for it ( not that i really want to use it - more for security at home for possible blackouts to keep my fish tank going and some very expensive fish alive! ) am looking at the solar panels now to keep topping up the battery's ....

Boc

0
FollowupID: 540024

Sponsored Links

Popular Products (9)