Costs - Diesel Versus Petrol
Submitted: Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 10:59
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Member - Rotord
Hello All
Ownership costs for diesel and petrol vehicles has been discussed before with most consideration given to fuel costs and engine maintenance . RACWA website ( click on ' buying a vehicle ' ) has ownership costs for petrol and diesel Cruisers and Patrols for 5 years from new .
First shock is the annual bill of about $17,000 . Nissan cheaper than Toyota by about $3000 per/yr , petrol cheaper than diesel by $1000 to $2000 per/yr .
Fuel costs about 1/3 of depreciation , less than interest , and about the same as total for tyres , insurance , rego , servicing .
Cents/km costs provided for those looking to be reimbursed for use of own vehicle . Annual cost also equals value of a company vehicle when calculating value of a salary package .
Wouldn't be too hard to extrapolate costs for the second five years and for those who buy second hand it would show some big savings . Comparison with the cost of a Holden
sedan is also interesting , with the Holden coming in at about $11000 per/yr .
Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 11:10
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 11:10
If they're using RedBook or Glass's figures for the trade-in value of 4WD currently they're kidding themselves.
I would have been crying if I'd saved $2000 4 yoears ago by buying a Petrol 4WD.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:04
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:04
Is Petrol cheaper than Diesel because of the initial purchase price of Diesel being dearer..? I would have thought as the vehicles get older the Diesel model would be far cheaper to run than the petrol.? For comparison my wife drives a 1998 Model GXV V8 Cruiser and I have the current model Hilux Turbo Diesel, the cruiser doubles my fuel useage so for every tank filled the petrol cruiser costs around $40-50 more etc etc. $17,000 per year for the Cruiser vs $11,000 for the Holden
sedan is no surprise..
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (Narangba QLD - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:53
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:53
If we were really worried about cost we would not have a 4WD.
The cost (whatever it is) is the price we pay for the lifestyle and I believe it is far cheaper than package overseas tours where you blow your money in a couple of weeks and all you have is memories.
Diesel/petrol is also about lifestyle. Regardless of cost there are dimensions such as fuel range, safety of carry fuel, longlife of the engine.
The cheapest way to run a vehicle is to buy it brand new and run it into the ground. This should take many years and you will have had many years of a lifestyle of choice.
The current value of a vehicle is irrelevant unless you are going to sell it. All the so called cost of ownership studies are based on short life of vehicle with total depreciation also in very few years.
Buying a $60000 vehicle and keeping it for 15 years means the vehicle cost $4000 per year which is cheap for the lifestyle it gives me. Vehicles don't appreciate so I have the headset at purchase that this will have less and less value and very little when I change vehicles so a vehicle change is starting from scratch again.
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Follow Up By: Goona - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 12:01
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 12:01
Alan,
Agree with you for 99% of cars that dont appreciate however I wish i bought a genuine GTHO phase 1 about 10 years ago. I'd be a wealthy man about now. 100% agreed with buying new and driving it to it goes no more. Best way to go.
Goona
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Reply By: snailbait (Blue mntns) - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 14:13
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 14:13
hi ROTORD
DIESEL v PETROL
where i live in the Blue Mtns, Petrol is always 18 cents to 25 cents a litre cheaper than diesel, just look at the stats on the site,
On a recent trip it was the same in S A , VIC and NSW.
When buying new the cost of the petrol is several $k cheaper than a Diesel engine. My theory is that some one does not want diesel cars in Australia.
that's my 2 cents worth
Snailbate
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 15:28
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 15:28
I think 4wd monthly just did a comparison.
Latest petrol Prado and latest D4D prado.
Over 100,000k, and including purchase, maintenance, and fuel (with diesel more expensive) , petrol was cheaper by a couple of hundred dollars.
Conclusion, 20,000k per year, break even, more milage, diesel.
So for same vehicle, and modern engines in both petrol and diesel, not much in it for 100,000k and 5 years.
Change the variables, change the result. :o)
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Follow Up By: Member - Rotord - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 19:55
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 19:55
Hello Oldplodder
Agreed . The difference in cost is so small that the choice between diesel and petrol should come down to personal preference and lifestyle .
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Monday, Dec 24, 2007 at 10:02
Monday, Dec 24, 2007 at 10:02
In the long run the costs work out pretty similar but where diesels always win out is fuel range and fire safety in remote areas. Cheers Rob
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Reply By: Kiwi & "Mahindra" - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 16:23
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 16:23
never thought of it as a yrly thing, just as a weekly thing.
LC woul cost us about $50 LPG and that would do 420km max and every 6 wks $20 worth of ulp would go in....
Navara costs somewhere around $70 to do 700km.....so its cheaper and dont have to fill up every week!!
mainenance for the LC was not too bad because we did it ourselves....
cheaper for us being diesel in nearly all aspects.
deisel costs more because of how much processing is done to it....
Laura
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 12:09
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 12:09
deisel costs more because of how much processing is done to it....
haha .. where did you get that from .. missed the chemistry class in school ?? .. oh sorry that was not a subject where you went.
gmd
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Follow Up By: Kiwi & "Mahindra" - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 19:12
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 19:12
gmd Im not even going to answer you reply with what I could and maybe with what I should seeing that you actually know nothing about me or where I work...
Your personal attacks are not wanted on this
forum and you have lost any credibility that you may have, IMHO.
merry christmas you FW
Laura
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 21:40
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 21:40
Kiwi,
if your STR can do 700ks on 50 litres ($70 at $1.40 litre) of diesel I suggest you look after it
well. It is worth its weight in gold..
5l/100ks!!! (56 MPG) Nooooooo Bingooooo.
Ian
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Follow Up By: bware - Sunday, Dec 23, 2007 at 15:12
Sunday, Dec 23, 2007 at 15:12
Laura,
In every other post about the cost of fuel, one of the issues is that ULP needs so much more refining/processing than diesel so why is diesel more expensive? It is explaned away by 'marketing' etc. But is the first time ever that I have heard that "deisel costs more because of how much processing is done to it." Apparently you know something that everyone else here doesn't. If that is really the case, please enlighten us all.
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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 20:28
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 20:28
In days gone past people would always say choose the diesel every time. Today i would say go the petrol every time.
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 12:16
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 12:16
my diesel has service intervals of 20.000ks and I do the service myself
count in heavy towing and you are
miles in front with a diesel.
vote for the right people and you will solve the problem with the diesel prices. Diesel is cheper to obtain, alwasy was, and Australia is the only country I know where diesel is dearer than petrol.
Another question for you petrol guys: Why does any decent cruising boat has one ore more diesel engines ?
the ruel of thumb in the marine industry is
1 gallon and hour per 10hp for a two stroke
1/2 gallon for a 4 stroke
1/4 gallon for a diesel
that varies of course a little but in essence it is correct.
In a car the diesel engine is mostly not used heavily. Speed is not really a heavy use, only torque. When you tow and haul heavy the diesel is always more efficient. So for all your toy trucks and for less than 300.000k go petrol ..
have fun
gmd
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