LC 200 Series

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:44
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Looking at the specs for the 200 series and one thing with their weights stood out.

Kerb weight 2,720kg's

GVM 3,300kgs

580 kg's carrying capacity for an eight seat wagon ?????

Would be interesting to see insurance wise what happens if someone has an accident when carrying 5 guys and some gear which would more than likely put them over the GVM.
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Reply By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:48

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:48
Been the case with the Nissan wagon all along 585kg load capacity. The difference as I understand it is the LC200 does not have an aux fuel tank, so would be nearer GVM if you installed extra fuel capacity. Bear in mind also that kerb weight is usually defined as 90% fuel and 2x 86 kg passengers.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:54

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:54
Don't forget to put the fuel in the Nissan either David. 145 litres will take a fair bit of that 585kg load capacity. Average of 90-100 kgs per person aboard and you won't want to tow much. A two tonne van, 200kgs ball weight. Any room for water or camping gear?
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Follow Up By: Mogul - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:54

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:54
Depending on what spec Patrol you could have as low as 543kg's.

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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:15

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:15
.Don't forget to put the fuel in the Nissan either David. 145 litres will take a fair bit of that 585kg load capacity. Average of 90-100 kgs per person aboard and you won't want to tow much. A two tonne van, 200kgs ball weight. Any room for water or camping gear?

...that was my point. Nothing new with the LC200. There are plenty of overloaded 4wd's out there. Yes it is a concern, a big one, but not a new one.

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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:16

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:16
one point you missed though. Kerb weight is 90% fuel and two 86 kg adults, so 585kg load is after you put 90% of 145 L of fuel and after you put 2x 86kg adults on board.
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:59

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:59
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Follow Up By: Mogul - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:16

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:16
Eric,

Had a look a lot of confusion with what is / isn't included in Kerb and Tare weight.

Nissan looks a lot worse than Toyota as they use Tare weight not Kerb weight.

"TARE MASS - mass of a vehicle other than a L-group vehicle ready for service,
unoccupied and unladen, with all fluid reservoirs filled to nominal capacity except
for fuel, which shall be 10 litres only, and with all standard equipment and any
options fitted."
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Follow Up By: Mogul - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:19

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:19
Add the weight of 115L of deisel to the TI and you now have a carrying capacity of around 460kg's.
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Reply By: Mogul - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:05

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:05
From ADR website:

"KERB MASS - see ‘Unladen Mass’"

"UNLADEN MASS - the mass of the vehicle in running order unoccupied and unladen
with all fluid reservoirs filled to nominal capacity including fuel, and with all
standard equipment."

Does not include any passengers.
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:19

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:19
That is so for ADR but many vehiclesuse the convention (I think it is EU) that says 90% fuel and 2 x 86 kg pax for kerb weight. You really need to check with the manufacturer to be sure.
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Follow Up By: Mogul - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:26

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:26
As they are being sold in Aus. wouldn't all weights advertised have to be in accordance with ADR's.

What responsibilty do the salesman have in advising clients that they may easily overload their vehicles based on what they intend to use them for?
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:31

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:31
Not sure. All I know is it depends on how they word the kerb weight tare weight statement. Like all things there is no universal convention....yet. The EU has tried to make it so. I am of the understanding that ADR while important for specing what can be towed etc, has no bearing on what appears on the spec sheet (sales brochure). My advice in Towing education has always been check with the manufacturer as to what is included in kerb weight/tare weight.

The salesman's role is to sell you the car (cynical bugger aren't I?)
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:39

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:39
The kerb weight can vary too with manufacturers options. On the lesser model cruisers Toyota never includes a/con it is always an option. Don't know whether this remains the case for the 200.
It doesn't really matter either way what the kerb/tare weight is really as the GVM is what you 'should' be staying under to remain legal.
I doubt whether any of the 4wd's available locally loaded for touring would be under GVM when departing on a trip.
A typical extended trip down the CSR would see most cruisers and nissans over GVM just with fuel, water, food and camping gear before the passengers climb in.
When we travelled down the CSR in 1992 in a diesel HJ75 troopy I estimated based on what the weighbridge ticket was when we left Alice Springs heading out across the Tanami that the poor old troopy weighed over 4.1 tonne when we left Halls Creek. Then we deflated the tyres and flogged it over sand dunes and rough tracks for the next 2,000 k's!
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:47

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:47
Your are dead right. That has been my experience. Almost all vehicles doing those sorts of trips are over GVM. I've seen a troopy at 4.5 tonnes
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:53

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:53
When kerb/tare weight matters, is prior to purchase when people are working out what to purchase based on what they tow and carry. It becomes critical when you intend towing, to work out how much you can carry. This will effect the decision on what vehicle to purchase. 200kg of tow ball weight will seriously eat into the carrying capacity
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Reply By: sedg - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:56

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:56
Buy a Jeep, 488 kg lower kerb weight!! $20k cheaper!
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