LC 200 Series
Submitted: Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 21:44
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Mogul
Looking at the specs for the 200 series and one thing with their weights stood out.
Kerb weight 2,720kg's
GVM 3,300kgs
580 kg's carrying capacity for an eight
seat wagon ?????
Would be interesting to see insurance wise what happens if someone has an accident when carrying 5 guys and some gear which would more than likely put them over the GVM.
Reply By: Mogul - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:05
Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:05
From ADR website:
"KERB MASS - see ‘Unladen Mass’"
"UNLADEN MASS - the mass of the vehicle in running order unoccupied and unladen
with all fluid reservoirs filled to nominal capacity including fuel, and with all
standard equipment."
Does not include any passengers.
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:19
Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:19
That is so for ADR but many
vehiclesuse the convention (I think it is EU) that says 90% fuel and 2 x 86 kg pax for kerb weight. You really need to
check with the manufacturer to be sure.
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Follow Up By: Mogul - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:26
Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:26
As they are being sold in Aus. wouldn't all weights advertised have to be in accordance with ADR's.
What responsibilty do the salesman have in advising clients that they may easily overload their vehicles based on what they intend to use them for?
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:31
Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 22:31
Not sure. All I know is it depends on how they word the kerb weight tare weight statement. Like all things there is no universal convention....yet. The EU has tried to make it so. I am of the understanding that ADR while important for specing what can be towed etc, has no bearing on what appears on the spec sheet (sales brochure). My advice in Towing education has always been
check with the manufacturer as to what is included in kerb weight/tare weight.
The salesman's role is to sell you the car (cynical bugger aren't I?)
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:39
Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:39
The kerb weight can vary too with manufacturers options. On the lesser model cruisers Toyota never includes a/con it is always an option. Don't know whether this remains the case for the 200.
It doesn't really matter either way what the kerb/tare weight is really as the GVM is what you 'should' be staying under to remain legal.
I doubt whether any of the 4wd's available locally loaded for touring would be under GVM when departing on a trip.
A typical extended trip down the CSR would see most cruisers and nissans over GVM just with fuel, water, food and camping gear before the passengers climb in.
When we travelled down the CSR in 1992 in a diesel HJ75 troopy I estimated based on what the weighbridge ticket was when we left
Alice Springs heading out across the Tanami that the poor old troopy weighed over 4.1 tonne when we left
Halls Creek. Then we deflated the tyres and flogged it over sand dunes and rough tracks for the next 2,000 k's!
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:47
Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:47
Your are dead right. That has been my experience. Almost all vehicles doing those sorts of trips are over GVM. I've seen a troopy at 4.5 tonnes
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Follow Up By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:53
Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 08:53
When kerb/tare weight matters, is prior to purchase when people are working out what to purchase based on what they tow and carry. It becomes critical when you intend towing, to work out how much you can carry. This will effect the decision on what vehicle to purchase. 200kg of tow ball weight will seriously eat into the carrying capacity
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