Powering the fridge..will this work?

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:04
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The old Finch 3 way is now very feeble on Gas or 12v but works a treat on 240v. Not funded to replace with Engel or Waeco yet,
bloody drought, but came up with following option. Please shoot holes in it if necessary...
1. Run fridge via inverter powered from cranking battery
while mobile.
2. Run via inverter from suitable aux battery mounted adjacent
to fridge (in vehicle) overnight.
3. Recharge Aux battery via 3st. smart charger powered from same inverter while mobile. Probably go for 1000w cont. inverter.

4. A generator could be used for longstay.

If this is feasible..what capacity & type of auxiliary battery?.
Fridge states usage as 75w.
Would this setup power a 40/50 L Engel or similar ?.
Thanks for your interest....oldbaz.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:27

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:27
That will work Baz (powering from a 240vac inverter) however the baseline problem remains unchanged.

I.E. that type of cooling is inefficent off electricity and you really need to stick with gas which is just as energy consuming but you don't notice because of the cost , or better still plan longer term for a compressor fridge - the sooner you get it done the better.

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:39

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:39
Thanks Robin. You are quite right. I plan to upgrade when able
& was looking for a power system to handle both present & future
applications.....oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 20:05

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 20:05
Fair point - but if your style of going bush is that you stay in the one place for days (weeks) and don't drive around in the vehicle each day you'll need to purchase a couple of grands worth of batteries, solar panels (they seem to break a bit) and/or generator plus electronic thingies to control the charging and, ideally, more electronic thingies to rotate the solar panels to face the sun - especially in Vic.

Me...? I'll stay with the 3 way and a bottle of gas every couple of weeks.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 20:19

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 20:19
Hi Mike

Certainly accept that , can't beat the cost of buying energy in the form of gas, espically for long stays.

As an aside we camped in the hot desert last 4 days and even my waeco compressor fridge which is very effective at generating units of cold just couldn't keep up with the demands made on it in the form of cold drinks.
I ran the cars engine for 60 per day at fast idle just to keep things cool. Even the dog didn't seem happy until it got the cool water.



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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 20:35

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 20:35
I think that's the essential difference Robin, and one which often seems to be missed on this forum - if you're travelling daily and thus keeping batteries charged a 12V (Engel/Waeco) is the way to go, no question - it'll get colder, faster. But if you need to stay in one place for some days a 3 way is hard to beat - as always, horses for courses :)

Mike Harding

PS. I know the area you were in quite well and it certainly can get a little warm up there :) Did you manage the climb to the summit of Milmed Rock?
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:02

Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:02
Thanks, folks. You are certainly right about the versatility of the
3way, & I guess that todays model will have some improvements
over the 25 year old Finch. Will try suggestions below to improve
current effectiveness & maybe look at a new 3way....oldbaz.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:43

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:43
75w at the fridge plus 20% for inefficiency of the inverter = 8 amps per hour. That means an 80 amp/hr battery will last you 10 hours, and it'll be dead flat, unless you intend to run your car for 14hrs a day, it simply wont work well and will be a constant source of worry.

Ask a dummy who forgot to bring the gas connection to Fraser Island...... It killed my battery each night, It had stopped by 10pm each night and then no cooling till the next morning when we started and ran the car again on a trip.

A 40/50l engel/waeco will run at 4.5 to 6 amps on and off (i.e. it has a duty cycle) and probably averages 2amp/hrs meaning it will run for like three days off the same battery setup. The 3 way doesn't have a duty cycle, its 8 amps all the time hence its spectacular battery killing ability.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:06

Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:06
Good stuff, Bonz, exactly the info I was after. I can appreciate your Fraser Experience without gas. Had several great trips there,
finally gave it away due to overcrowding & rubbish. Probably still OK
if you avoid holiday peaks. Thanks again....oldbaz.
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Reply By: ozwasp - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:46

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:46
Hi

Why don't you clean the gas jet on your fridge??

If it's working on 240V, then it means the cooling system would be intact and thus the gas jet is probably just blocked.

I had similar problems with mine a while back.

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:59

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:59
What he said.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 20:59

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 20:59
. . . and if you used adequate size wiring, I suspect it would work quite well on 12 volt.

By putting an Inverter in line, it will just suck up the same losses as thin 12 volt wiring is doing now.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:40

Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:40
Hi Mikes & Will, thanks for the input. On reflection I think the relative inneficiency may have been perhaps attributable to the 40
deg + temps in the Kimberley in April. Your suggestions re wiring are valid but it is hard wired to the battery with 6 sq mm + & _
& I thought that should be OK. I will follow your suggestions re gas & see how I go.....oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 13:16

Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 13:16
Hi Oldbaz

The Finch fridges do start to struggle after about 35C ambient. I've had a Finch for a few years and recently bought a new Chescold RC1180 (the blue one) three way fridge/freezer. It is much more efficient than the Finch; in the recent hot weather here in Melbourne the freezer was holding -12C with the ambient at 40C and in more normal temperatures it sits around -18C. However they are expensive at around $1300 but you can pick up secondhand ones from time-to-time. Not too many on the secondhand market though because those of us who have them tend to hang on to them :)

You might also consider the Chescold green fridge/freezer (can't remember the model number) it's about $1000 and is a bit smaller than the blue one.

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 17:50

Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 17:50
Hi Mike, thanks for the info. Like me the Finch has lost efficiency
over the last 25 years. I have noted your Chescold details. I will
try some maintenance on the old Finch & it it may suffice a bit
longer. Interestingly a mate got a 3 way Mobicool 40 L for Xmas,
only cost $350 & is made by Waeco, will watch carefully.
cheers...oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 18:01

Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 18:01
>Like me the Finch has lost efficiency over the last 25 years.

I know the feeling well oldbaz :)

Give the Finch a good clean of the gas jet and chimney and consider fitting a 12V computer fan near the heat exchanger; the fan may be run from a small battery (or the vehicle?) on hot days

I only upgraded to the blue Chescold because I wanted the freezer capability for extended stays when prospecting - could only keep meat for 3 or 4 days in the Finch. The freezer is great, I take meat and frozen veg in it and can last a couple of weeks no problem. But if you don't need the freezer then there is no real reason to upgrade.

Caution with the Waeco unit - the one I looked at did not include a gas hose or regulator in the price! And, frankly, I doubt a more modern "Chinese copy" of the Finch will do a whole lot better than your original.

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Reply By: GerryP - Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:59

Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 19:59
I agree with Ozwasp above. Try cleaning the jet and also check the flue is clean. Just one word of caution, do not, repeat - do not use a wire jet cleaner as the jets have a non-metallic insert which damages easily. It's usually a wax buildup which blocks the jet and can be easily soaked off with alcohol such as metho, then a good blast with the air hose. The flame should be nice and blue with slight orange tip, if not, check the gas pressure at the jet is correct (from memory 11 inches water gauge at the test point but check the name plate).
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:42

Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:42
Thanks Gerry, I will follow your advice & hopefully gain some improvement....oldbaz.
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:16

Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:16
Hey old Baz

If believe the cost of a 1000 w inverter would be roughly $100 per 100w, therefore a 1000w inverter would only be a couple of hundred short of a new fridge.

I may be wrong just a thought.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:49

Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:49
G'day Steve, your inverter costs are a bit frightening. I was following Ebay ,where 1000/1200 watt modified sine waves,
continuous rating, are regularly going for around $120 to $150
inc delivery & Aust. warranty.
Off topic...have you struck Graeme Hockey ? Does upmarket
tours to Kakadu etc out of Darwin....cheers...oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 18:36

Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 18:36
You pay the money an take the risk with some items...

Mainey . . .
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