Australia does produce a world standard car, and for towing

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I've had a loaner BA MKII Falcon for the last few days whilst the Ute is in getting the LPG fitted.

It's a 2004 model with 65 K's on the clock. Just a "basic" XT model, but what an impressive machine. Comfortable, smooth, and still handles very well. That straight six is turbine like in its power delivery and it has got some serious poke.

For anyone planning to tow a van up to about 2000 kg, you'd be mad buying a 4wd to do it. This thing is rated to tow 2300 kg and certainly has more than enouigh power to do it.

190 kW and 383 Nm at a low 2500 rpm.

Driving around town it is returning 11.5 l/100km. That's damned impressive for a performance saloon.

Jim.
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Reply By: Member - Tessa (NSW) - Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 21:11

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 21:11
Come on Jim
First of all you tell us the Jerrycan is the best 4wd then you rave about the new twin cab ute. Now you want to tell us that the most maligned sedan in Oz is a great car. Maybe you are just unfortunate enough to have never driven a really good unit???

tessa
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Follow Up By: dave_c - Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 21:17

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 21:17
I agree. I think from Jims last couple of posts, he is sniffing ice not making it.
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Follow Up By: Jim from Best Off Road - Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 22:14

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 22:14
I just posted my observations.

If it is of no help to you, so be it.

Regards,

Jim

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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 08:49

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 08:49
Towing a 2ton van with a 1ton car is not the smartest thing to do.
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Follow Up By: DIO - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 10:55

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 10:55
Dave (NSW) posted....Towing a 2ton van with a 1ton car is not the smartest thing to do.

The current model XR8 has a kerb weight of 1748kg - a shade heavier than '1 ton' I guess the BA MkII is within a 100 or so kg of that. I submit, an acceptable tow vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 11:25

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 11:25
DIO
I stand corrected, at that weight it would be an acceptable tow vehicle.
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 15:16

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 15:16
Jim do yourself a favour and hire an xr6(lower diff ratio) with the german 6 speed auto, that is impressive. I still prefer rear drivers to front wheel drive
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 21:25

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 21:25
Jim.
Last winter a mate and I went to lightning ridge from Melbourne. Mate was driving a BA towing a small camper trailer, we got to Walgett before the auto died. Great car? Eric.
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Follow Up By: Pete and Lez - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:27

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:27
Eric, I guess that or similar has NEVER happened to any other make, model, year car, 4x4, truck or aircraft for that matter. Obviously you don't drive or own any vehicle.
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Reply By: Steve - Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 21:36

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 21:36
then again, you could get the best off roader of all, which gives you 10.5 around town

Still the best after 60 years: Defender
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 22:29

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 22:29
Made in China ? (or soon will be) :-))
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 23:12

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 23:12
Like everything else!!
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Reply By: Billowaggi - Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 23:38

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 23:38
Horses for courses!~

Ken.
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 23:40

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 at 23:40
Ok you mob..enough is enough!!!
Its not his fault that is the closest thing Hes driven to a real car!

LOL
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Reply By: John S (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 00:20

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 00:20
Jim,

I have to admit that the MKII's are a nice vehicle, but I wouldn't tow a 2000kg van with one.

I had a BA MKI XLS ute and a BA MKI XR8 sedan. Both vehicles turned me off newer fords. While the XR8 was an awesome performance vehicle, it was its weight and power that made towing ok. I used it for towing my 8x6 double axle trailer with gear which weighed around 2200kgs all up, and while under power all was good but at cruising the trailer would push the car around. Fuel consumption was a typical 18-19ltr/100km at cruising speed. The XLS ute was just crap.

While the MKII's have new gearboxes, they are still pretty much the same car, they still handled much the same.

Believe it or not, my old Holden WB ute is better for towing the trailer, and way better on fuel (253 on LPG). Even compared to the XLS, the WB handled so much better and its 28 yrs old this year.

And don't think I'm anti Ford. I still own an AUII ute and EF Fairmont - both are fantastic cars.

My golden rule for any long distance towing is - never tow more than what your vehicle weighs and you will have a safer and more enjoyable trip.

And if you think an XT Falcon is a performace saloon, then take an XR8 for a run - but make sure you take a change of pants - because you are going to be changing them!!

PS - The gearboxes cost around $4500 to repair at 135,000km if you tow 2000kg with them (want to see the receipt??)
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 08:58

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 08:58
LOL the bleeper does'nt work on your Signature. Had'nt noticed that before :))))

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Reply By: PeterInSa - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 10:10

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 10:10
Mate has a current model Falcon Wagon on gas, towing a 19ft Concept. This year he went to Cairns and back without any problems he was very happy with the combo. Has now bought a Patrol 4.2 Petrol to replace the Falcon.

The reasom I suspect is to many travellers commenting about the Falcon pulling the big van, not realising it is legal and he got tired of explaining it.

Peter
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 10:11

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 10:11
Does the BA require $2500 worth of steel bolted under it before you can tow anything ? I believe the Commodore does. What
a joke.... oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Pete and Lez - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:32

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:32
No the falcon is fine to tow with, unlike the dunny door, they stretch in standard trim if you tow any sort of heavy load. Now THATS a good car. hahahahaha joke. POS.
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Follow Up By: stocky - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:03

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:03
Our VY only needed $500 odd to tow 1750kg........where did you get told it costs $2500???

and before you all jump in - I'm a believer of TOW vehicle exceeding TOWED items weight so I'd never tow more then 1750kg with it anyway
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Reply By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 11:48

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 11:48
It is however limited to <80 kph at max mass.
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Reply By:- Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 15:45

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 15:45
G'Day Jim,

4WD owners join forums such as these to find out more about their vehicles and to modify them to get the best for a particular use.

How many Falcon owners join a Falcon forum? I can tell you it's not very many.

As a result you hear all sorts of tales of trouble with these cars when in many instances they simply have not been set up for the job they are expected to do.

A basic modification before fitting the 2300kg tow pack is to ensure a separate transmission oil cooler, not linked to the radiator, is fitted, then when towing upwards of 1600kg take it back to 3rd gear and keep speeds down to 90km/h. These weights also require a WDH fitted, regardless of caravan or tandem trailer. (A genuine 2300kg tow pack includes the Ford WDH)

Doing this will give many years of trouble free motoring. Whilst on the soap box, mine consistently gets 15L/100km - and that is LPG!

Want more power, fill will 98ULP and run on petrol

Regards

Rolande
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Reply By: bing - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:45

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:45
I tow an 18ft Tandem Pop top with a 2002 AU111 Falcon Futura (Factory Standard). I have travelled in excess of 20000 km with no problems. Very comfortable as well.
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Reply By: mowing - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:57

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:57
I have a BA Trayback which is a dedicated gas model. I pull a mowing trailer which if fully loaded weighs in at 2T. It has electric brakes and the car has more than enough power to pull it. I believe that this is a safe combination as the falcon is not a light car with a bit of gear on the back tray. In fact if I have a mower on the back tray then the car itself can weigh 2T giving a 1:1 ratio. Electric brakes give the added safety of over riding if need be.

Regards

Mark
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