Driving Licence Loop Hole

Submitted: Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 13:22
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There must be difference between having a HC licence to a normal C. I have been booked in QLD a few years back and was in a vehicle (car) with NSW plates (myn) and had the fine sent to me along with a picture.108k on the Bruce hwy. I knew I was speeding so paid the fine etc lost 1 point. My mate has been done in QLD,ACT,VIC all out of home state NSW and has not lost a point just paid the fines. Is this because he has just a normal class C licence and myn been a HC. His like my wife's is yellow across the top myn is browny/red colour across the top. I know they changed a while ago to stop truckies just getting a licence from every state then flashing a licence different to the state they copped the fine in there fore didn't lose points just had to pay the fine. So in other words if I was to be done speeding say in QLD I'd be better to say my wife was driving and we just pay the fine but she wont lose any points ??? Now before all the do gooders start saying don't speed blah blah blah etc I've only been done twice in 24 years. I'm just asking a question to clarify what seems to be a loop hole. Anyone agree with this. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 13:36

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 13:36
Gday,
Ive heard you wont loose demerit points with a speed camera because they usually cant prove who was driving, so they just give you a fine. Ive also heard now it is up to the owner of the vehicle to prove who was driving the car?
Laws change to bloody quick and there are too many of them I reckon.

I recently crossed the border from SA to NT and found out the State Limit in the Territory is now 110Km?

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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 13:47

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 13:47
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On the main highways you will notice the speed limit is 130 km/h.



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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 13:51

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 13:51
The sign says the speed limit in the NT is 110 unless other wise posted the next sign 100 meters up the road is 130.

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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 13:55

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 13:55
Gday,
Yeh, Stuart Highway and two others are 130Km but we have a state limit of 110km???
Its just how the slimey bastards got the speed limit through without anyone knowing. If they originaly told everyone the State limit was dropping to 110km people would have kicked up.
So instead they lead eveyone to believe it was dropping to 130km.
Now all they have to do is change the speed limit to 110km on the three roads and HEY PRESTO...we fall into line with the rest of the country.

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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:10

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:10
Gday Steve,
Didnt read that bit?
Must have been going too fast I guess

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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:40

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:40
Yeah the Kakadu hwy is 110, the Arnhem hwy is 130, the Barkley is 130, and the one from Katherine to WA border is 130.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:43

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:43
It'll take me all day to get to 110......lol

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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 09:46

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 09:46
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That is not a problem. You still get there. I'm sure that in your picture you weren't doing 110.

The faster you go the less you see.



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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:28

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:28
Gday,
"The faster you go the less you see." Sort of true.

How about " the longer it takes you to get there, the less time you have to look around when you get there"
Depends were you are going, I dont reckon there is a lot more to see on the Stuart Highway
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:30

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:30
>I dont reckon there is a lot more to see on the Stuart Highway

Having driven the full length of it... I'm inclined to agree :)

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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:46

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:46
Yeah but try driving the full length at an average of 82 kph, as I did in 2000, when I was a support crew for a Japanese solar car in the Darwin to Adelaide world solar car challenge.

Once you have done it at that speed, trust me you have seen every thing including a rocket at Woomera.

Seeing how these solar cars look, I have also solved the UFO sighting at Wycliff Wells.

Just for the record we came 4th outright.

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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:10

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:10
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Congratulation on your 4th place.

I have driven the Stuart Highway every year since 1978 until 2007 from Port Augusta to Darwin and don't want to ever do it again. If I do the faster the better as I long as I do it safely.



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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:03

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:03
Stephen, Speed camera fines do get passed around a lot. When my children were teenagers, amongst their friends having someone else cop the fine rather than lose last points and license was common practice. Photo quality is now better, and if you say your wife was driving, you will most likely get a 'please explain' letter saying the photo clearly shows a male driver. That happens in WA. I can't comment on different state licences or class of licence being treated differently, but i doubt it.

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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:36

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:36
HI there Motherhen, the quality was pretty good when I got done in 2000. There were two pics the first showed the whole statesman the second showed mainly the front of the car as a close up and yep you could tell it was me driving. Told the wife now to drive with the sunvisor down and sunnys on,,lol. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:47

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:47
Or do what some off duty police did in a town near us a few years ago - sped through the camera wearing ku klux klan hoods (and giving the one finger signal).

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Follow Up By: SteveL - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 15:21

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 15:21
Speed cameras in W.A. take photos from the front so they can tell the sex of the driver.In Victoria they are taken from the rear.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:36

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:36
Do they?

I recall listening to police radio on the scanner a while back and the camera cars often called in with "located in XYZ street and shooting both ways".

However I now have a contact in the speed camera design area so I'll check. Some naughty people (especially electronic design engineers) might use that sort of information to design counter-measures against speed cameras - I'll ensure any such people are properly dealt with!

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Reply By: Member - 120scruiser (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:15

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:15
A class c licence is a nsw licence however when you get a heavy vehilce licence it becomes a national licence issued in the state where you live. Its so when you get knocked off in another state they trace it too your points in your home state.
They changed it when they changed the log books to national as well.
Mine is MC so I have to watch it in all states as well.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:39

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 14:39
Thought that was the case. Hey there Scott better watch myself now eh, heard you have gone back to old job. Hope is all going well. Hope to see you at the Peachtree, not out doing your job LOL. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: DIO - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 15:08

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 15:08
For those who are pre-occupied with finding ways to beat the speed cameras etc, why not just stick to the speed limits. It's not only safer for you and your occupants but also any other poor sucker who happens to become involved with you after you find that owing to your speed you can no longer control your vehicle adequately let alone stop - in time. Authorities have been spending millions of dollars trying to educate and encourage motorists to observe not only the speed limiits but also ALL other Road Traffic Rules (laws). Why would you want to continue ignoring them when ultimately your taxes (probably from petrol excise) are being WASTED endeavouring to convince you otherwise. There's a fool born every day.
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 15:20

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 15:20
You should change your name to : MR OH&S and if you put your name to your post we might even take you seriously, as I have never given credence to Anonymous posters.

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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 15:49

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 15:49
ROFLMAO
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Follow Up By: George_M - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:32

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:32
Ok DIO, I’ll bite (lol).

There are a number of insurance companies in Victoria that now do not impose a surcharge on customers with a history of serious points accumulation. These companies recognize that there is little correlation between the number of speeding fines issued and the crash rate. In Victoria the crash rate has been slowly declining. Is this the result of an annual spend on roads of about three billion dollars, or the proliferation of ABS and stability control technology in vehicles, or the enforcement of speed limits? Ask the insurance companies.

I’ve been done for speeding twice over the past forty years.

About fifteen years ago I was done by a hand held unit for 20kph over the speed limit in a 60kph zone. I am a bad man. It was in a small country town in outback Queensland at 3.00am in the morning. I hadn’t seen another vehicle for about four hours, and you could have fired a machine gun down the main street and not nicked a rat. Was this about some copper earning some overtime, or just keeping up with his quota of traffic fines? IMHO it had nothing to do with road safety.

About five years ago I was done by a mobile unit (parked beside the road) for 12kph over the speed limit in a 100kph zone. Bloody Queensland again - I must be a very bad man. The mobile unit had been set up at the end of a 20 klm stretch of winding road, at a point where traffic held up by slow vehicles would naturally, and safely, overtake. Again, IMHO, nothing to do with road safety, and all about revenue raising. On contesting this fine I was informed that it was against the law to exceed the speed limit to overtake a slower vehicle. I wonder how many drivers are aware of this regulation, or what percentage of drivers pay any attention to it.

So mate, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. My view, after forty years behind the wheel without being involved in any type of crash or insurance claim, is that the current enforcement of speeds limits has more to do with revenue raising, and little to do with road safety.

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Follow Up By: Member - BIGDOG G (WA) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:34

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:34
Jesus dio...............

Talk about "Holier than thou".

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Follow Up By: nowimnumberone - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:57

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:57
you bet me to it
if you dont want to pay a fine or lose a point its so simple even a moron can understand
DONT SPEED
geez why is it so hard for some people to understand.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:11

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:11
>DONT SPEED

Oh! OK!

So I'm safe doing 100kph on the Jameison to Woods Point road then? Thanks for that reassurance of legislation.

And we won't even discuss why it's OK for a 42 ton truck and a Porsch to both be limited to 100kph!

Mike Harding

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Reply By: oldpop - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:44

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:44
Stephen M

Have HC licence issued in Vic but it is a Australia Licence
Wifes licence is a Vic Licence had change over about 15 years ago to keep HC endorsement or I would have been issued a standard Vic car licence

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Reply By: Member - Clive G (NZ) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:06

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:06
Stephen M.
For Pete’s sake why can’t Australian pollies swallow their half baked silly ego’s and make one set of Rego, Road rules and License system for the whole country. The entire system is worse than a kindergarten sand pit. I drive in Oz a lot (on a Vic license) and have to constantly worry about which side of a given border I’m on. It’s just plain stupid.
I know they go on about revenue etc but a national register divided up to each state on given home addresses would surely give the same result, or is that the problem, make it simple and the public might start to understand how it works.
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Reply By: Mainey (wa) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:14

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:14
I was parked with-out a ticket at a parking meter in a main Street in Perth, the van registered in Vic, a parking inspector walked straight past me without checking to see if I had a valid parking ticket.
All the other WA registered cars were checked and some given tickets.

I was so amazed I actually asked why I was not booked, he advised me that WA and Vic don't exchange relevant information required to issue an infringement ticket.

Note: this was relevant in 2001, it may have since changed.

Mainey . . .
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