Is the complaining about next G getting through?

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Well maybe while next g towers have no where near the reach of CDMA it seems they are compenstaing(trying) by putting in alot more towers .
Was at mundaring weir where traditionally ther has been no Next g reception but now hey presto maximum sterngth. from looking at maps it seems they may also have put towers up at menzies and daveyhurst
just makes you wonder how good the CDMA network could have been with the extra towers as it has at least 2wice the range
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:09

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:09
Get over it Dave.

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:30

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:30
twas fine bfore i got a missus but now im expected to call her.--------------- and be able to send/recive pictures of ohhh oh nnever mind
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 11:23

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 11:23
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Top of the day to you,

"Is the complaining about next G getting through?" Tis on the Forum...lol.

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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:25

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:25
New towers going in all the time.
I just finished of the lease arrangements for a new Telstra phone tower for an organisation I'm involved with here in Melb.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:54

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:54
Davoe
For Pete's sake give up will ya, Go and get back on CDMA if you thought it so bloody fantastic, or better still go and get a couple of Jam tins and a length of string.
Damn and I thought the Poms were whingers.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:58

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 08:58
Are you qualified to make the statement that CDMA had twice the range, that's crap .

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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 09:21

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 09:21
Exactly Doug T - CDMA was, I think, on 800mhz. CDMA is able to roam from 2100mhz to 800mhz so I don't see the problem really. Waiting for the incoming missiles from the technogeeks.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:12

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:12
while twice the range is had to quantifywell put it this way I will park 10km from Toodyay and if you can get a call to me i will give you $100. it would be money in the bank for me as reception doesnt kick in till 5-6km from the tower.
Was unable to make a call the other day inside a building - had to go outside.
------not unusual when you are at the limits of reception
Dunno how far the tower is from the end of the runway at Perth airport but it is obviosly close to reception limits
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:42

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:42
sounds like you need a new phone.

I have found next G to be far better everywhere I have been so far than CDMA, and next G will improve again when the cdma is switched over to next G.

A big car aerial for next G has given me service a damn long way from towers, especially on the Canning.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:53

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:53
I wonder how then I had a signal and made calls,recieved calls, and used next G wireless internet from Orange Grove WA ...must have been a miracle.

GO AWAY.

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Follow Up By: stocky - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:17

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:17
twice the range my ar$e.....

go get a new phone Davoe - preferably a GSM with another carrier LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:35

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:35
NextG has the same radiated footprint as CDMA. Theoretically, it should have more range than CDMA for technical reasons.
However, no technology is going to get a signal through a hill. At these frequencies, it is line-of-sight. I qualify that by saying that one can get diffraction over a hill allowing comms in a shadow, but the signal will be much reduced compared with a direct signal. Telstra will continue to put base stations in areas where there is a known shadow and/or a customer need. Don't expect one in the shadow of the Olgas.
The main issue with reception seems to be Telstra's poor choice of handsets. The early ones were made at the time for a very limited US market, and one where long-distance coverage was not an issue.
And possibly Telstra's choice of Chinese mfr for one of their brands, which it appears has not lived up to expectations, but that's more a reliability issue.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:35

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:35
Other end of the runway doug.
And I did have a gsm sim in it till I lost the sim. Made no difference to range. When the phone couldnt pick up GSM it couldnt get next G either. Big difference was when running it on GSM it dropped out less in marginal spots.
i have the car kit etc but will probably not instal it as I imagine in 12 months time when the contract expires they might have decent handpieces.
Makes little sense they would back up there flagship network with POS phones they will not support.
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GO_OFFROAD where on earth did you get the idea next g will improve whwn they turn off CDMA? i know telstra has said it but its proven next G still works no better on towers with no CDMA than standard GSM
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Follow Up By: stocky - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:38

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:38
Gerry - correct all all counts :-)

Davoe - take a bex and have a nice lie down mate! :-)
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:38

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:38
its been stated that current cdma when gone will free up more for next G network to use.
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Follow Up By: stocky - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:39

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:39
Davoe - GSM sim in a an ext phoen makes it work as a GSM only - NextG WONT work
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:02

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:02
Next G about 50-60 km, CDMA about 115km. are the technical limits.

Quite simply the higher the data rate (not transmission frequency), the shorter the distance from the tower due to "handshake" and the actual time it takes the radio signals to travel the round trip (300 000 km/sec). The "benefit" of the Next G data rate is also it's downfall in the bush.
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Follow Up By: stocky - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:05

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:05
umm - wrong!
Technical limit of NextG is somewhere closer to 200km
*EARLY* NextG base stations where 50-60km - they then upgraded the software to allow up to nearly 200km range


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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:05

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:05
Thats why they made them dual or "triple" band, to help with the distances.

With the big aerial on the last car, up to 90km from a tower we could make calls.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:27

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:27
Wrng actually how where? Im not talking what you read on the internet im talking real world testing with real world equipment and i can assure you there aint no 2ookm with a handset.
i do believe a big ariel would make a difference but who walks around with one of those?
those of you getting your info off the net pleeeeze dont make me post the picture yet again of next g well and truly being outperformed by GSM in a marginal area it is real world testing in real world conditions .
Maybe it is the handets whatever in the end it makes no difference as the end result is i get no better results than with a GSM phone
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:32

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:32
so on one hand we shouldnt believe what we see on the internet, and on the other, you want to post a pic of something with better reception????

Have you been drinking?






Are you aware companies like LG tell customers to hold phone to ear with finger and thumb, as aerial is around the keyboard, and your whole hand will block the signal?

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Follow Up By: stocky - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:43

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:43
we where discussing TECHNICAL limitations Davoe.......
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:44

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:44
There y go you made me do it this is not some picture i trawled the net for this is MY phone using MY camera and shows beyond any doubt in THIS marginal area from a tower WITHOUT cdma the next G does not have the strngth so the phone has roamed to GSM it is NOT being held or any other excuse you may think off
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Follow Up By: stocky - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:48

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 14:48
go find some other carrier..........
maybe they will have *magical* RF that goes around hills and thru buildings and 1 gazillion km range for a single tower in the middle of oz.......oh sorry i'm dreaming again










or better still TRY A NEW PHONE - as you have been suggested MANY times - there seems to be something wrong with yours as PLENTY of other people ARE NOT having the same issues!
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 15:01

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 15:01
What does that photo of your phone mean?? I think I have missed something.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: DesF - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 17:58

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 17:58
Davoe, just get a Nokia ???? "Des"
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Follow Up By: Chris & Debbie - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:57

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:57
I may be wrong but doesn't that G mean its connected to nextG?
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Follow Up By: stocky - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:21

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:21
LOL - maybe!
Havent used a new Nokia to check!
I know on my Palm - "G" means 3G (or NextG) and NO symbol means GSM.
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Follow Up By: stocky - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:34

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:34
Best I can fidn in the manual isL

"Antenna" symbol = GSM coverage
"3G" symbol = 3G coverage inc NextG
"3.5G" symbol = HSDPA active

SO my guess is Davoe is actually showing his phone connected to NEXTG! LOL!.

RTFM Davoe! LOL
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Follow Up By: stocky - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:36

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:36
I'm getting my hands on a 6120 tomorrow - will post confirmation of the above then!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 22:32

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 22:32
Ho Ho Ho No No No stocky
3g is displayed for next g
g is displayed for gsm (this is what is displayed also when a gsm sim is put in)
HS is displayed when sending pictures etc
the ariel is no signal
Wouldnt know what a nokia displays this is an LG TU 500 blue tick

It shows a next g phone which has roamed from next G to GSM and it has a full 3 bars better reception where there was no next G
this is what i see in my room at work. When the phone displays 3g no bars irt will not make/hold a call. i have to wait and it will roam to GSM i can then make a call. it gos in regular cycles of roaming no reception gsm the bars build then it gos to 3g no bars then reception drops out these cycles go regulary taking about 3 minutes
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 08:39

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 08:39
"GO_OFFROAD posted:
Thats why they made them dual or "triple" band, to help with the distances."

Why would that help ?

GSM (900MHz) is limited to 35km. 3G (2100MHz) distance isn't worth worrying about.
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Follow Up By: stocky - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 09:23

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 09:23
Dud phone davoe....it aint the network (as much as you cant be convinced)
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Follow Up By: stocky - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 09:28

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 09:28
I just fired up a TU500 for a comparision check - sitting in a car without a car kit, no external antenna

Set to "Dual Mode" - 4 bars NEXTG SOLID
2G - 3 Bars GSM SOLID
3G - 4 Bars NEXTG SOLID

I'm sticking by the dud phone theory
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Reply By: Dunco (NSW) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:42

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 10:42
They use the same towers.......they just add them now and then...or rent someone else's such as the Police ones ...
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 13:38

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 13:38
As Clark Gable once said "Frankly my dear I don't give a dam!!!"

Give it a rest you lot ....


Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 13:38

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 13:38
As Clark Gable once said "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn!!!"

Give it a rest you lot ....


Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 14:26

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 14:26
Huh ???

Why did I get that message...what did I say that was wrong. All I bloody said was that they use the same towers.

You give it a rest !!!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 14:55

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 14:55
Sorry Dunco,,,

Was not directed at you - I selected the wrong tab..Should have been a general statement to everyone ....Sorry agin!!!

Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 15:07

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 15:07
no probs
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Reply By: Grouchoff - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 23:38

Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 23:38
Good onya Davoe put it up 'em.Basically Telstra is a monopolizing bully with an inferior service. As stated previously
independent tests have proven Next G to be unreliable and inconsistent. Hopefully it may change. Just got home from three days in mid wheatbelt area,crap coverage on my handset and other brands around me. Did a mini survey whilst there with others who travel extensively. Consensus... Telstras Next G good for vacuum cleaning, because the service you get compared to their sales speil - they suck big time.The actual model phone you have as tested by the Kondinin Group is a cracker.It is possible you have a lemon. I doubt it. Maybe check it out. It is also possible that the magpies on this forum trying to peck your eyes out could also be bullies or maybe even Telstra shareholders(declarations please ??) A true comparison of their legendary phones would be to have them at the same location as yours etc. Maybe they can post their phone bills on line and then the world can see at what locations they do operate from. As for the world weary try another carrier, no way. The parasitic entity Telstra has become would not even exist without decades of taxpayer funding. I don't want the "good ol' days", I want a modern reliable service based on the big bucks which set them up. STILL WAITING. Go on forum fellas beat me up.PS: I sincerely hope my feable attempt at lowering myself to an acceptable level of immaturity has put me in synch with your high standards of humanitarianism. Peace upon you all.
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