200 Series unsuitable for towing ?

Gotta agree with you John....sounds like a wheelbarrow full of sour grapes ....even to ME (a die-hard Nissan bloke).

Where does this krapp come from???

Roachie

you must be driving around with your eyes shut lol

Must admit, Im with michael on this...
havent seen one. only the Adam's member photo..

Seen several of the new utes around.

I dont think they are that plentiful. They are about $10,000 overpriced for the GXL Diesel.. Exchange rate is heaps better and a comparison with a new Diesel GXL price say 5 years ago says they are way overpriced.. Its going to be a hard sell to get people to part with over $80 grand, a lot of money for a vehicle thats meant to go off road and is not ready to go off road... Probably a good head turner at the school gates with black paint, mags and low profiles.... Michael LOL..

Hmm , tipical Nissan owner reply , well guess what , supply can not keep up with demand , 4 month wait . Every TD in the country is sold instatly .

What did you think people are waiting for the new Nissan engine lol Please

I think the hefty price tag will slow sales after the initial backlog. People have been putting off buying a new LC for a few years, waiting for he 200 series. I dont believe Toyota will get sales from Nissan buyers, they just seem to be hanging on to them longer.. And yes, i am waiting for a new model Patrol with a new engine, My Gu is nearly 5 yo and i normally only have them for 3 years. Sadly i dont think a new engine will emerge. There is not a lot of activity in the large 4x4 market..its shrinking slowly as the vehicle and running costs rise. How many brand new LC, Prados, Patrols and all othe large and even medium vehicleshave you seen on here lately.. Not many like years past. Michael

>>> I dont believe Toyota will get sales from Nissan buyers, they just seem to be hanging on to them longer..

I think they have already, and I think in future they will get many more. I dont think Nissan sees a future in the Patrol range from their actions, their care factor appears to be less than 0 in it from what I can see...

Eric is right I think, I doubt you or me will see the dream engine from Renault/Nissan whoever either. I think they showed that a few yrs ago when everyone was hangin hanging hanging, and it was the intercooled TD42 (why change perfection). so many jumped ship right there and then.

I do have to disagree on a few points , one is , in reality the 4.2 td intercooled was nissans reply to been 4 years behind in emitions , they were given there last warning and failed to produce anything better . It wasnt Nissans idea to pull the engine . It was the EPA that said yo uhave had enough goes.

They were producing less power in the 4.2 turbo diesel intercooled engine than the standard non turbo landcruiser. This in my eyes is sad.

I was talking to someone a while a go and they bragged how they got 150kw out of the 4.2 nissan after spending 10k on it . They were upset when I told them they were 5 kw under a factory turbo cruiser Engine . Now the new V8 is were . somewere around the200kw range. Sorry , but its all over in that department .

Yup, the writing was on the wall for the TD42 long bfore it was removed.

Agree that the motor could do so much more from the factory, but you dont need to spend 10k to make it better than it is.

I still to this day cannot understand Nissans theory behind not moving foward when they brought out the TD6, people everywhere were expecting things like 4.8 turbo diesels, V8's, etc with 150kw et.. but my theory on that is that they saw the grenade as their future, and by leaving the 4.2 as it was, was a simple way of removing it from the lineup. At that point, I would guess 100's lost interest and paitence and went across to Yota...

Nissan/Renault have the technology to create so much better than the grenade, yet seem so disinterested - even to this day with the new model STILL having the same bleep box 3.0 4cyl, thus my theory that the Patrol doesnt have a long future in Australia. Only time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

When you gonna be ready for that coffee?

if you thought the 3 .0 was grenade , wait till the Renault diesel comes out , lol makes the 3.0 a beast. do some research on the diesels and the comebacks , then add to that with the shiat they call diesel here in Oz and quadruple the problems

But our diesel fuel i world class... Honest, they keep telling us that.. pickup the brochure at the servo next to the bowser!!!! LMAO

Suprised that they are bringing out so many of those small euro diesel cars VW, Peugeot, etc etc that have high tune small donks. more suprised they actually RUN on our diesel LOL!

I have always wondered why Nissan didn't develop the TD6. The only thing it seemed to have going for it in the end was that it didn't break (even if it got hot). It is old old tech similar to a 2h toyota. A direct injection set up similar to the 12ht would have been nice. Anyway they got their money out of the thing I suppose.

Rock Crawler posted:
"..... well guess what , supply can not keep up with demand , 4 month wait . Every TD in the country is sold instatly ......" Eric there were two GXL diesels sitting in the dealers yard locally for some time after the release that I could have bought. Glad I have the one I have really

Truckster, reall "But our diesel fuel i world class" yes, third world. LMAO Bruce

Sorry John I dont take country dealers into my statistics , this just seam to move a little slower there lol . See you soon

From what 'the source' was saying about the 200 - yes it is an excellent tow vehicle and very capable. 'The concern' was 'the tow bar'. Beats me.

"mis informed information ..... 6th gear not changing into 6th until you reach 130kph and that rumour is false"
It's no rumour. Many are experiencing this problem but obviously not everyone. Fairly useless gear if one has to be speeding most of the time for it to engage.
Cheers Craig.............

Why is it that people that own a 200 think they are great, but people that don't think they have lots of problems?

Human nature to justify what you own & talk down that which you can't afford (but secretly want). Still doesn't change the fact owners of the 200 are reporting these & more issues on the lcool site.(Landcruiser owners on line) To be expected with any new model even the unbreakable brand ;-)
Cheers Craig..............
HZJ105 RV

Crackles,

the only "issue" of any substance whatsoever that appears on the LCOOL site concerns the undergreased driveshaft.

All other "issues" reported in other Forums as fact (like, my mate said that his mate said) have been fairly and squarely debunked on the LCOOL site.

Here's a couple of responses by owners. They may be lieing but can only go on what they have said................
" Need to accelerate above 110 then back off to get it to change"
" Sometimes after dropping back to 5th it would not go back into 6th gear even with very light accelaeration. Sitting on 115km/h on flat road it would not drop in. I could encourage it to drop in by gently accelaerating and then backing off but it would not do it by itself. Once settled into 6th, it would stay there"
In an article by "Cars Guide" they say "Readers have complained, and we have also discovered, that the Cruiser is reluctant to engage sixth gear below 120km/h. Toyota's response was that a 10% or less throttle opening was required at 94 to 101 km/h to get it to drop into 6th & even greater if "Power" mode is selected. Appears on the surface just maybe that a few (not all) are having some issues.
Cheers Craig...............

That's a pretty ill informed, stupid statement.

Obviously you either haven't looked properly or don't have enough money or both.

Lets get serious, so to speak.

Not really.

I have owned several L/C over the past 16 years and after the last 100 and several diff breakages and a gear box rebuild at 90000km I saw the light.

Do you really think Toyota have made a stronger tougher vehicle than the 100. NO!!

As for money well I could buy one tomorrow but wouldn't waste the 80k

On what basis do you say the 100 is stronger and tougher? Can you please spell out the facts behind this statement? I thought the 200 was supposed to be a more capable, stronger 4wd out of the box than the 100.

I wouldnt have expected stronger. Not many 4wds are really marketed anymore for offroading (look at the clasues of what you can adn cant do in the manuals), but for shopping mums and Dr's and s h i t like that.

Very rarely do you see the major part of the marketing to be what the old 80/GQ etc were aimed at.

ADM.

There are many people out there that would pay 80k for a capable vehicle to tow their van, My parents paid 78k for a new 79 series TD RV ute optioned up for their grey nomad years.

Just go and look in a caravan park and see what the grey nomads are setting them selves up with to see out their pre twilight years.

I have said it before and I will probable say it again, If you break a diff or gearbox in a 100 series you really need to look at your driving technique, I have 3 100 series that get punished every day for 180 days straight 100 km per day corrugated dirt road, 40 km 4wd track and 2 x 1meter water xings per day each, I have never replaced a diff or gearbox.

In fact I bought one in March last year with 72k on the clock,so after the tour a 12300 km on a holiday with it, it now has 130000km on it after it had a service and a wash It is ready to go back to work tomorrow, so that how tuff they are if you drive them right and look after them.

As for the 200 series a colleague of mine has one on order and he will put it though it's paces in Arnhemland Kakadu and the Kimberley towing his Camp trailer.

If you drive it like you stole it, you will break it.

Steve.

I cant believe the view some of you have.

When I talk 4 w drive its not a flat corrugated road, (my crumydore would handle that) its a actual track that requires low range. Put one through its passes in the Vic High Country for a period of time and see how it goes.

We willl wait and see how reliable they are.

Nice facts ADM, is that it?

OK how about I start.

200 compared to 100 in strength and off road capability
1)Chassis has extra rails and new stronger material, less movement
2)10mm more clearance
3)approx 5" more wheel articulation
4)coil over shock at front compared to non liftable torsion bar
5)Traction control, Down hill assist, up hill assist
6)6 speed Auto
7)Stronger transfer case
8)Larger, stronger diff at front
9)more torque down low
10)better fuel economy ( longer range)
11)metal sumpguard
12)KDSS for wheel movement
13)Tow bar integrated into chassis for strength

Putting it through it's paces in the Vic High country is EXACTLY what I intend to do.

Now, where were your facts?

Some people think if a 4x4 is more comfortable, looks flash and has all the mod cons it's not a 4wd.

I have to agree with Steve, in most 4wd's if you break something you either did something wrong or the part was faulty from the start or lack of maintanace.

When the new Hilux came out people said it will not make it....to soft, to car like, hasn't got free wheeling hubs bla bla bla.

A new 4wd will do everything an old one will but easier.

ADM what do you drive as a 4x4?


Regards Richard.

1)Chassis has extra rails and new stronger material, less movement
Good
2)10mm more clearance
until you put your lunch in the back
3)approx 5" more wheel articulation
Combined? When compared to the 100, still nothing to write home about. Compare it to a live axle
4)coil over shock at front compared to non liftable torsion bar
Still limits wheels travel
5)Traction control, Down hill assist, up hill assist
Just more electronic bs, shouldn't need these if people are well trained. Can be a hindrance
6)6 speed Auto
I think there is enough said about this already
7)Stronger transfer case
Good
8)Larger, stronger diff at front
Time will tell how strong.
9)more torque down low
Good
10)better fuel economy ( longer range)
Already discussed, not achieving to manufactures specs.
11)metal sumpguard
Obviously needs it
12)KDSS for wheel movement
Could be a good thing, will see once reviewed



13)Tow bar integrated into chassis for strength

Dont get me wrong comfort is good and sure they are more reliable in some aspects but not as tough as some earlier models.

So all the 100 series diffs and front ends breaking are faulty or manufactures design??

As for doing something wrong. Seen a few break and nothing that other vehicles drove over without any problems, including 80 series.

As for my vehicle. I drive a GU BUT only due to the problems associated with the 100. Would still have it if it was more reliable. As mentioned I have owned several L/C over the years but the toughness has slowly disappeared.

Whats so hard driving the Vic high country, been there done that in a 100 series with 290000km on it and the original G/Box and Diffs, BTW didn't break it and it was towing a trailer as well.

Steve.

I think it is pretty pointless discussing it with you further ADM, you have come to your conclusion and IMHO come up with purile things to support that opinion. Opinions are great but you

BTW just to set the record straight, a standard 200 does have better articulation than a standard GU, even when your lunch is in the back.

Each to his own. Please don't represent opinion as facts though.

Olcoolone (S.A)
hte new Hilux actually didnt make it they are getting trashed on minesites - too low and too much plastic.
Ive seen plenty sitting side by side with the previos model and just one look will tell you the difference

Only passed on what I was told, by a 'supposed expert' in the industry (works for a very large caravan manufacturer). Like I said, beats me as to why there might be a problem. Guess people can make up their own minds.

DIO, your original post said

"Happened to be in Adelaide today, went to the Caravan & Camping Show. Speaking with a couple of people on different stands who claimed that the 200 Series cannot be used for towing as there is a problem with the tow bar (too high or something). Apparently Toyota are aware and 'keeping mum' about it. What's going on?"

So was it "a couple of people on different stands" or a "suposed expert of a very large caravan manufacturer". Which manufacturer?

Maybe it me but the story seems to be drifting.