Front "lokka" or Chip

Submitted: Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 14:30
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Good Afternoon,

As the heading suggests, I am trying to decide between the two as my next purchase.
I guess what I am after is your experiences with either or both.
I am guessing the front diff would be lucky to get maybe 2% of the cars total usage but could be handy to have if needed.
But the chip would get 100% usage and maybe make the 'ol 2.8 more drivable every day.
As both are around the same $$$$ I am just trying to gauge which I will get more 'value for money' from.
So anybody with a chip, How did it improve your driving experience?
And anybody with a front "lokka" how did it improve your 4WD'ing experience.

Cheers Stefan
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Reply By: Gronk - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 14:39

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 14:39
Chip !!!!!! And you have answered your own question.....
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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:05

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:05
G'day Gronk, must admit I am leaning towards the chip...but not decided...how have you found them in the past?

Stefan
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Reply By: navaraman - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:04

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:04
A lokka for me. I drive a 3.0 and whilst they aren't powerful it goes as fast as I ever need it to, the lokka makes 4WDing so much more contolled and that's why we buy them, for the 2% of the time when we need that extra traction isn't it.
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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:10

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:10
Bloody good point....I agree commuting to and from work I am all metro 60 and 80 zones....plus on the motorway it will sit on 110 easy so not looking for out right speed from a chip but maybe more drivability ie stay in 4th and not have to grab 3rd on the really step hills ect....but there has been a few times I have been snatched where there is a good chance a lokka would have got me through...mmmmmmm

it really sucks when the wish list is larger than the bank balance!! LOL

Cheers Stefan
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Follow Up By: Davo_60 - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 19:23

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 19:23
Hello Stefan,

Do you have an EGT gauge fitted? If not you should look at getting one if you fit a chip - it may well pull a higher gear but the exhaust temps can get a little scary in my experience.

Cheers,
Dave
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Reply By: Dave from P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:17

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:17
Lokka!

It WILL improve your off road enjoyment, (assuming that you travel places that test you and your car's ability). It will allow you to traverse country slowly and safely that otherwise may have been inaccessable.

I haven't driven a 2.8 in quite some time, so don't really know what their on road perfromance is like, I also can't say for sure whether a chip will improve it.

I am a big fan of difflocks, and not just for 'extreme' use. We are all better off if the bloke in front of us was able to negotiate an obstacle slowly and without wheel spin than if he had to approach it with 'greater momentum' after a failed attempt. Many will say that they have 'travelled all over' and never 'needed a diff-lock', personally, I switch mine on before I 'need' it.

I had lockrights in the Troopy and they were the best purchase I ever made for that car!

cheers
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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:26

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 15:26
G'day Dave,

I do like to test mine and the cars ability when 4wding (not ripping up tracks for the fun of it)
So thats why I am considering the lokka, plus having watched cars with diff locks in the past they make it look alot easier for the car,driver and the track...
Refer to my follow up above in regards to performance from the 2.8 while it will do the legal limit what ever it happens to be. It may mean a few less gear changes with a chip...mmmmmmmm

Thanks heaps for your input
Stefan
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Reply By: Crackles - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 17:32

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 17:32
Chip for sure. Offroad they transform the 2.8 & 3 L Patrols almost like they have a lower gear pulling from far less revs. Makes handbrake starts on steep hills far easier requiring less down changing & you can idle your revs down to get over a rock ledge and then still accelerate away. Without it as you'd know, get low down in the revs & it just bogs down and wont recover particularly in sand.
On the road it of course has better power which we can always do with more, handy when towing too.
The Locker.................well it's good for getting you over an obstacle 2 or 3 times a year that the car wouldn't have made without it & probably allows you to go a bit easier on the tyres & transmission by walking through slower but then you'll need the chip 1st to be able to go that slow ;-)
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 21:30

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 21:30
You nailed the 2.8's drivability there, needs revs, which arn't always the best action in a tricky spot

cheers Stefan
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Reply By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 19:56

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 19:56
Looking at you rig pic, I reckon you'd be wasting your money on a lokka....it won't do squat up in the air:-)
I'd be leaning towards the chip, it might help you get more 'air time'.

Cheers
Glenn
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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 21:26

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 21:26
LOL good one :)
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Reply By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 21:24

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 21:24
Hi Stefan.
I had a detroit in the front of my 3lt pajero & it really made a difference. The only problem was that the steering had a mind of its own. Some 3 point turns became 5 point turns.
I now have a chipped DID pajero with the MATT system & I now have the best of both worlds.
Regards.
Vince.
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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 21:31

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 21:31
Thanks Vince

Looks like the two would work well together

Cheers Stefan
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Follow Up By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 18:05

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 18:05
Vince,a Detroit locker is on my 'to do' list. Can you explain 'mind of its own' a bit more please. My understanding is when turning the locker disengages so I can't understand why there would be a problem. Should be ok on hard surface at least shouldn't it?? cheers JD
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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 18:18

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 18:18
Hi jdwynn.
Have a look at thread 54671.
I found the front locker was a pain in mud otherwise it was great in general work. In mud it steered al over the place!!
Vince
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Reply By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 00:21

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 00:21
Hows it going Stefan,

I was talking to a guy at work who had had a lokka , I thought they were a cheaper answer to an air locker and was interested.

I thought they must be ok as you never see them on ebay , my mate at work rekoned they were really hard to set up and the engagement got more extreme as the lokka wore

If you get your vehicle chipped it may be more driveable on and off road.

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 16:27

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 16:27
G'day Glenn,

That was my thinking behind the chip.

Its like choosing between the Chicken or the Beef!! LOL

Stefan
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 20:27

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 20:27
Mate ,

You must be kidding yourself if you reckon you get to choose between chicken and beef.

I bet you eat what you are told to like the rest of us.

LOL!

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 20:37

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 20:37
AHHHH I am the chef at my place THEY eat what I say!! LOL
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 09:26

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 09:26
Locker?? Chip?? Locker?? Chip?? Locker?? Chip?? Locker??
Ah bugger it !!!- Won't don't ya go get a Toyota...

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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 16:24

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 16:24
cause I would have to lock both diffs then......as we all know a Toyota LSD is as grippy as runny custard!!!!!

Stefan
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Follow Up By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 18:18

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 18:18
and as Richard W highlighted the airlocker is (to the best of my knowledge) the best way to strengthen Toyo diff's which are always breaking. So you might have that cost anyway. JD
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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:07

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:07
Stefan,

I went the Chip first and now the Air Lockers. If I went the Lockers first I may have saved my front diff.
The chip improved my fuel consumption by 2L/100KM and the auto transmission doesn't hunt on hills as much. Then there is the camper. I've got to check every now and then to see that it's still there. :)
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