70 series landcruiser

Submitted: Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 16:05
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Does anyone have one? If so what are their drawbacks - Bill is looking at one - needs to be able to pull a 21' van and carry a boat on top.

We have a GU Patrol at present (which I'm happy with) but Bill thinks the 70 series would be more economical.

Does it have airconditioning, power windows, any of the normal every day stuff that you expect nowdays - as to me it looks a bit rugged. What about things like airbags, stereos, bull bars etc do any come with it - does the suspension have to be upgraded (as we did with the GU)

So pros and cons of changing the GU to a 70 series please??

Would appreciate advice!

Di
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 16:33

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 16:33
Try an archive search first.
Topic has been done to death already.

Maybe also try Toyota's web site for vehicle specific features and accessories.
Look here 70 Series Range
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Follow Up By: Bill n Di - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 16:35

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 16:35
Thanks John - I did a search but didn't find much as far as what I'm trying to find out. Thanks to for the links.

I was interested in hearing from those who actually have one and how they have found it rather than just specs.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 16:46

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 16:46
"Does it have airconditioning, power windows, any of the normal every day stuff that you expect nowdays"
Di the Toyota link will answer all those questions.

I just ran 70 series through the archive search and since October 07 it came back with about 20 hits detailing answers to the same questions you have asked.
If you also search 76 series, 78 series or 79 series V8 it will also provide you with many threads on the particular series you may be interested in.
The term 70 series is the generic term that applies to the whole range of 70 series vehicles including the new generation V8's.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 17:31

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 17:31
Di,
I reckon Bills right.
Took me 6 months for my wife to come to the same conclusion!!

The RV models have the mod cons - except airbags. theres another thread from yesterday that compares GU and 79series.
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Reply By: Member - The Crow (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 18:31

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 18:31
HI Bill N Di, We have one and found it great, its a 76 series cruiser. Our past 2 4x4's were Gu 3Ltr Patrols. We have no regrets. I just love driving the Cruiser and every time I drive it I wish we were going on our trip that we have organised to the Kimberley in july now. Our best Fuel consumption is 11.2ltrs per 100ks Hwy . With our van 16.1Ltrs per 100Ks. Worst with van on with a diagonal cross wind 19ltrs per 100ks
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 19:42

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 19:42
Di, I can't comment directly on the new 70 Series as I don't have one. But I'm currently researching vehicle options for a replacement for my Hilux to get better load carrying and towing capability.

Like you, I carry a boat and lots of 'stuff'. My interpretation of specs from the Toyota web site gives the following payloads (remember this includes the weight of people in the vehicle, all accessories you fit and the actual load. I also count the ball weight from the CT or caravan as part of the payload):

200 Series Wagon approx 600 KG
70 Series Wagon approx 800 KG
70 Series Troopie approx 1,000 KG
70 Series Cab Chassis approx 1,300 KG

The first two are pretty useless in my fiew for somone setting up for long term touring with a boat on top. In my case, only the cab chassis will do the job.

Worth considering as most of us add up to 200 KG or so in accessories (bullbar, side steps, extra batteries, roof racks etc). Add 180 KG or so for a couple of people 120 KG for boat and boating stuff (without motor), and you are already up to 500 KG, without fridge, food, clothes, camping gear.

I suspect at least 80% of wagons used for touring are way overlaoded. If you are investing in a new vehicle, it it worth getting one designed for the job you plan.

Good luck with the research and decision.
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Reply By: REV'S - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 23:31

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 23:31
Hi Di,
We have the new 70 series cab chassis GXL, compared with our previous 4wd 80 series cruiser it has much more power it flys for a diesel vehicle. We haven't been on any trips yet but I cann't wait. We have had the cab extended into a duel cab and GMV increased to carry an extra 500k as we are having a Slide-on camper built and need to be legal to carry extra weight on the tray.
It came with power windows CD/radio but the air con, bull bar, tray were extras. If you go for the GXL model as we did, you should find more comforts.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:47

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:47
Rev's, who did the cab conversion and the GVM increase for you? Was the GVM increase done before registration or after? Also, did you get the wheel base extended, or has the tray reduced by the amount of the cab extension?

Love to see some pics.

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Follow Up By: REV'S - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 13:09

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 13:09
Hi Norm
We had our vehicle conversion done by. www.specialisedvehicles.com.au. the GVM was done after registration but had to be passed by RTA Engineer. The chassis was extended by 600mm to carry the extra cab. The tray remained the standard size. If you go to the web you will find all the info and pics. Cheers Revs
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Reply By: Geepeem - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 08:55

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 08:55
HI Di,

As far as I can determine the big negative with the 70 series is that they don't have air bags. This is a pretty important safety feature to me and one that would probably deter me from buying one until Toyota make them available.
Also the turbo diesel enhine in the 70 series is NOT identical to the turbo diesel in the 200 series wagon. In the 70 series the engine produces 151 kw (@ 3400rpm) and 430 Nm torque (@1200-3200rpm). Economy is 11.5 l /100km (both cycles).
The engine in the 200 series produces 195kn @34oo rpm) and 650 Nm torque (@1600-2600n rpm). Economy is 10.3l/100km (both cycles0).
So the 70 series engine has less power, less torque, and uses more fuel than the 200 series engine.
BUT the big advantage of the 70 series is its load carrying capacity which you need for series trekking (between 580 - 670 kg in wgaon depending on specifications but up to 1255kg in Cab/chassis).
So what to do? A personal decision but in my situation I have decided to wait until the next upgrade comes out - probably only 12 months away to see if Toyota rectifies any of the above issues for me. Also with first upgarde of a new model you tend to good more features thrown in for the same price.
Hope this helps,
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Glen
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:56

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:56
Glen, my understanding is that the engine in the 70 Series is the same as the 200 Series, but the 200 Series has twin turbos.

I doubt that Toyota will standardise the engines. They have always run a lower power / torque engine in the commercial models (cab chassis and Troopy). Previous model had intercooler on the wagon and none one the commercial models for example.

But they might 'tweek' the engine a bit in the next model. This brute must be capable of producing more than 151 KW. The biggest changes I'd expect in the updated model are air bags, creature comforts, new dash layout and fixing the wheel span difference between front and back. Just my opinion - certainly not based on any special knowledge.

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Reply By: Bill n Di - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:36

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:36
thanks for all the helpful advice - don't understand why no airbags, thought they'd be compulsory in todays market!

I'm still not convinced on changing over, guess we'll wait and see!

Di
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:39

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:39
Airbags have been slower to get into the commercial vehicle market. Toyota would have to redesign the 70series from the ground up to make it airbag compatible. Even without airbags, the demand has been so high, that they can't import enough of them, and waiting time is still over 6 months!

Like you, I'd like to have airbags, but I tend to think that the small vehicles are the ones that benefit most from having them. Airbags can turn a little death trap into a relatively safe vehicle. Big vehicles like the 70series are inherently safer in vehicle vs vehicle collisions because of their greater mass, so airbags turn a safe vehicle into one that's just a little safer. These are my opinions only!
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