All Terain Tyres for 100 series Landcruiser

Submitted: Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 23:13
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I have a 2006 100 series Landcruiser 4.2 Turbo Diesel. Most of our trips are towing an offroad camper as well. Time has come to move to All Terain tyres. We are doing the Canning stock route in May and Gibb River road Sept. Tyre selection and range is a mine field, so I would appreciate any comments or experiences or suggestions. (we are in Perth)
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Reply By: Brooka27 - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 23:22

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 23:22
I am based in Port Hedland and have been using the ST Coopers on both my 80 series and 100 series T/D 285/75/16.
Not bad all round tire, do wear quickly on the hot bitumen during summer up here. They do flick lots of stones around due to the tread pattern.

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Reply By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 23:39

Sunday, Feb 17, 2008 at 23:39
Steve
You need an all-Terrain type tyre, My opinion is BFG or Yokohama

Yokohama

BFG

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Reply By: Member -Signman - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 09:33

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 09:33
Both for the CSR & the GRR you won't require a really aggressive A/T type tyre. In fact something like a BFG A/T may even be detrimental, as far as the sandy CSR goes- and the GRR is almost a highway anyway. I would steer clear of the 'blocky' type rubber, and look at something with a substantial 'sawtooth'. like the Bridgestone 693 (if still available) or the 694. Even the Hercules A/T may be worth a look !!



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Reply By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 09:37

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 09:37
Steve ,

There is a lot of people who want to tell you that the XXXX AT is the best - and it is usually only because it is the one they bought .

Coopers , Bridgestone Goodyear etc are all pretty good tyres , it is more the way you use them and vary the pressures in different situations, that determines the performance .

For my own "personal experience" , after loosing a lot of side lugs off my Cooper ATs on my '04 , '05 and '06 Kimberley / Pilbara trips, I decided to go to a new brand . "No" , the ARB guy said , "they have fixed the problem with their new model" . Not true - they are as bad as ever and I will not buy another set . I asked quite a few locals in Kununurra in 2007 , what they were using in our hot climate , rough dirt road situation and now I have decided to go to Bridgestone Dueler A/T after using Coopers for the past 5 years .

Do not get fooled by the Cooper Warranty , it's a joke - you have to have your tyres balanced and checked by a tyre dealer every 10,000 km - imagine the cost of that !

Cheers ,

Willie.

PS .

All brands of ATRs will suffer equally from staked sidewalls in off track situations . It is just a matter of driving carefully to avoid sharp rocks and wood stakes left from bushfires and keeping your your pressures low in low speed situations . I did three Cooper sidewalls in one expedition in the desert - cost me $1000 in tyres for one trip .The only way to avoid it , is to stay on track or get split rims and rag tyres - but this voids your insurance , as rags are not speed rated to your 100TD - what a bugger !
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:00

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:00
Hey Willie
Did you opt for the 693 or 694 ???
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:33

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 11:33
Hi David ,

693 .

I spoke to guys in Broome and Kunnunurra about tyres after I blew the entire side out of one of the Coopers doing 100 kph on a loose gravel road . I destroyed the rim and scared the crap out of myself.

A tyre repair guy told me it was probably a slow leak which caused a big heat build up and the near disastrous blow out - "something that could happen to any brand" . That was the first guy I asked " what do you recommend" . Because he refused to tell a porky and say it was the "lousy Cooper", I felt like he was a bit more truthful than the rest . He had nothing to gain as I was not going to buy a new set of tyres from him . He said "Bridgestone 693 up here". I got the same advice from other guys in 4wds in the mining game up there .

Willie.
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Follow Up By: Member - Douglas M (SA) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 13:19

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 13:19
Steve,
Willie is right about Cooper warranty. 15,000 K's on a set of ST's and one lug cracked down to metal. Coopers response?
"Normal wear and tear"
Doug
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Follow Up By: Richard W (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 06:03

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 06:03
I had a set of Bridgestone D694's on the TD100 and wasn't very happy. 5 punctures, smashed sidewall, cut sidewall and I only got 30K out of one. They were rotated and tyre pressures set for the road surface. I wouldn't recommend them. The Bridgestone guy said normal wear and tear.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 08:26

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 08:26
Richard ,
Please describe the punctures.
Willie
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Follow Up By: Richard W (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:00

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:00
Willie,

I punctured 2 on the shaley entrance track into Abercrombie NP.

I smashed a sidewall on Wombat Range Track into Wonnagatta Valley.

I slashed a sidewall on an easy track near Rylestone.


Don't think many tyres would survive this.


A couple of other punctures that I can't recall the circumstances.

The BFG muds have 70K on them with no punctures.


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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:24

Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:24
The 694s are the Jap made tyre where as the 693 are Oz made and a heap stronger in every way.

I run 693s on all my trucks 100 series and won't run any thing else I have run these tyres from Arnhemland through to the kimberley, the Strzelecki track the Oodnadatta track the Finke track and in 13 sets in 7 years on 7 cars and over 780000 km, I have had 2 punchers and 2 blow outs, one was an old tyre and one was driver error.

I run 40 psi in the front and 42 in the rear and the only time I have lowered them is on Frazer Island.

Cheers Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:51

Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:51
Thanks Steve - good info .
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:27

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:27
I'm happy to recommend the Goodyear Silent Armour for the trips you are planning.Mine have been hassle free for the past 2 years and 35,0000k of offroad and some offtrack trips. I get a good run out of most tyres - there's a lot of truth in Willie's statement about how you drive.
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Follow Up By: Moose - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 14:17

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 14:17
Another vote for Silent Armour. Try KMart Tyre & Auto - had best deal for us.
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Reply By: Member - Derek L (QLD) - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 23:05

Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 23:05
Steve,
I have put Cooper ST 265/70 R17 in my 4.2 2006 100 series. This has been the first time I have used Coopers normaly use (to lot of my mates disgust) BFG AT tyres. I went for the Coopers after a friend of mine who works for an insurance company said that I should check if the 17" BGF AT have the load carring specs for the 100 series with factory 17" rims. Which they didn't so it didn't leave me with many options and 1 of those options was Coopers so I went with them. I've done about 10000 klm now and they are doing fine. They have the normal AT tyre road noise. I've done about 50/50 dirt-bitumen drivng. No tread cuts. But I would take the advice from Cooper Tyres themselves keep them rotated and maintain the correct pressures. All in all so far I think that BFG and Coopers are great tyres. I have got freinds that have been using Cooper ST for along time now on both Toyotas and Nissan and they have had great suscess. All have done the Cape, Corner Country and the beach and they work well. For they sake I hope that I get the same run out of mine.HAHAHAHA. Cooper and BFG to us is like the ol' Toyota Nissan debat.

Hope this helps.
Derek L
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Reply By: Member - Robert G (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:24

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:24
Steve,
I have ben running Cooper ST 285x75x16 on my LC80 and now TD LC100 for last 2.5 years and am reasonably happy. Noise is pretty average for this tyre type, I have torn a couple of lugs but under pretty harsh conditions and there appears no more noise or any other drama associated with the missing lugs. Wear has been really good and I expect to get around 80k out of them. I have not had a puncture with them. I am not saying they are great but they have been value for money in my opinion.
I have heard good things about Micky Thompson AT's and will be looking at them as a possible alternative.
Conversely, I have to say that Bridgestone dueler AT's I used for a year in the Pilbara were disgracefull. Punctures, cut sidewalls, a blow out and tread deformation rendering them unserviceable after 10,000kms. An associate used BFG ATs on the same routes and conditions as me in the Pilbara and they did much much better.

Cheers
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Reply By: Steve Tippett - Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:45

Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:45
I would like to thank everyone that took the time to reply and help me with the knowledge building process. One of the replies mentions air pressure and I have since done a lot of research in this area and realise how lucky (and lazy) I have been until now. I have since bought a set of Staun Tire Deflators and have been using them. It seems to be personal choice and the relationship you can build with your local tyre dealer so I know tossing between BFJ and Coopers, heading towards BFJ.
Thats one problem done, now to work on a Suspension lift.

Thank you all who relied
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:08

Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:08
Steve,

I asked the same question a week or so ago about tyres for my Cruiser trayback.

One response pointed out Hankook tyres. I see they have a 10ply sidewall rating. I'm going to look into them a bit more.

Hankook RF09

Second choice will be Maxxis. I've seen some good reports on them.

Silent Armors seem a mixed bag. Some owners are getting bubbles in the sidewall. Then again, I might just go with the flow and get BFG A/Ts like last time.

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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:26

Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:26
The 693s have a 10 ply rating as well.

Cheers Steve.
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