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Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:24
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I received a convoluted e-mail from the SSAA a couple of days ago suggesting our registration costs are going to be increased by 600%.

If that's the way the Government wants it, the silly buggars can go an tickle the feral pigs, dogs, goats, fox and cats to death as far as I'm concerned.

I've written back to the SSAA asking for further information. If this is true, it shows a complete misunderstanding of land management and the value SSAA members play in reducing the feral animal population.

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:32

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:32
Gday Kim,
What wannkers!!!
Again they penalise the responsible gun owners.
Buggered if Ill buy a gun that needs registering again!

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:49

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:49
I thought all guns had to be registered, including air rifles!
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:50

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:50
Gidday Hairy

As I said, I'm still waiting for further information from the SSAA. The fact that it's come from them is a bit of a concern.

Yes your right. I don't think the general population understands responsible ownership, nor the damage these mongrel animals do in a good season.

PS Where are the photographs?

Regards

Kim

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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:33

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:33
Shaker,
Yeh, they do but only if they know about it!

Kim,
Did you go to my photobucket site? I emailed the password to you. Or have you changed email addresses?
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:41

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:41
Shaker: yes they do since the changes to the law in 1996 - criminals who require firearms for illegal purposes are exempt from this legislation, of course.

The problem is that the harder it's made for responsible people to own firearms the more those responsible people will be inclined to avoid the law.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:36

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:36
...... and hopefully the harder the law will come down on them.

I am far from being a gun wowser, having spent part of working life selling them, but I draw the line at people failing to comply with gun laws, they are in place for a good reason.
Yes, I do know that "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 19:51

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 19:51
Hairy

How do I look at a photobucket?

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 15:14

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 15:14
did you know that SPUD guns had to be registered also ? ( comes under air rifle .. )

thats why you dont see them in shops like kmart and more

Boc

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 15:50

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 15:50
I believe the attack screens banks have may well be classed as a firearm under the Vic act - I keep meaning to write to the minister and request that he enforce the act properly and prosecute the banks for illegal possession of a firearm :)

It's a shame low powered air guns require a licence (they didn't in the UK, last time I was there, which has far stricter firearms laws than Oz) they're provide a lot of family fun for plinking at cans in the back yard and are a good way to teach children respect for and proper use of firearms.

Mike Harding
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Reply By: obee - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:44

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:44
I never had a use for a gun since I came home from VN. Can't think of anything I want to kill. Well, yeah but that's illegal big time.

Owen
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:04

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:04
I could make plenty of suggestions for you .


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Reply By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:56

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 19:56
Kim,

I saw the proposed 'price' list today at work. My boss is the Secretary of the local Field and Game.

Shooters' licences for adults actually drop a small percent. That is the only reduction. The rest go up big time.

A junior permit goes from $30 to $90 - the Field and Game are currently attempting to get funding for juniors under the fitness umbrella - better to have young-uns out learning to shoot in a controlled environment than on the Xbox!

Also the dealers licence is going from $950 to $7500!!!!

Might force a few smaller dealers out of the game.

It's a shame when the powers that be try and force out everyone through price increases. Imaging if your car rego went up by that percent!


Tim - A Sporting Shooter and Conservationist!

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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:11

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:11
Tim

Many thanks for that. Can you give me a call during business hours on 97055467. I'd be very interested in supporting your Junior program and assisting with the funding.

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 17:23

Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 17:23
Kim,

MM sent.


Tim
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 19:23

Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 19:23
Tim

I replied to the MM but it obviously didn't get through. I'll be in the office on Tuesday.

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:04

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:04
Just wondering if it is legit, the email and if it did come from the SSAA.

Have you checked the persons name out that it came from?

I just could not see it happening, because of Firearms licence fees on top.

The SSAA is supposed to be part of all of us licenced shooters and not against us.

Could you just imagine some house wife's jumping up and down if they heard that.

You would become a couch jockey next week and your wife a beauty queen with all that new make up from the sale of your guns etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:17

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 20:17
96

It's a direct membership link. Fernanda Alberici is the responsible SSAA officer.

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:08

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:08
96,

My wife took offence to your comment about taking the $$$$.

Although she did get some of the $$$ I received from the Handgun buy-back - but I suppose it was fair - one of the pistols I handed in was her semi-auto hand-gun. :-)




Tim
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Follow Up By: Member - LOS BUSH - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:39

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:39
Gday Tim, You Know the rules . You aways share any money from the sale of a toy,lotto or tatts win or little cashy with your wife.I just wonder why it never works in reverse,and if the belovered buys anew outfit it not a new one '"öh I've had that for ages"' but i must admit to having reduced the buying price of my new 357 when she asked how much it cost . all the best Los


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Follow Up By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 13:15

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 13:15
Yep - reminds me of the old saying....

".....when I'm dead and burried, I hope to God that my wife doesn't sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them...."

Could be the same for 4by toys too.



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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 08:43

Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 08:43
"when I'm dead and burried, I hope to God that my wife doesn't sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them"

i know what you mean......in addition ...glad i'll be dead when she finds out how many i have...er had
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 21:17

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 21:17
Kim,
As a fellow shooter Ican fully understand your feelings and over the years have wondered about the benefits of joining the SSAA but now I can see they are in no way incouraging the expansion of the sport.In my case there is no benefit in me being a member as Ihave been shooting for years on private properties but if what you heard is true it really does no good in trying to get younger shooters to learn the correct use of firearms.
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Reply By: Member - LOS BUSH - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:20

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:20
G'day Kim This will not happen, the email must have been dreamt up in fairy land. The SSAA fees at present are about $70.00. 600% increase would make it $400 odd. Just will not happen
Los
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:33

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:33
LOS

Fair enough

Here is the e-mail as received and has nothing to do with SSAA fees:

Re. PROPOSED FIREARMS FEES INCREASES SLAMMED BY SHOOTING SPORTS.

Dear members,


The recently released RIS dealing with the proposed new firearms licence fee structure has been condemned by the SSAA as outrageous and punitive in nature. The shooting Sports are already heavily regulated and participants face a series of financial barriers. Increases in charges of 600% and over simply cannot be justified. If these sorts of fee increases were to be applied anywhere else there would be riots in the streets.
Members rest assured that the SSAA is working closely with the CFCV and the FCC to stop this unfair action from being implemented. We will take appropriate measures to ensure that the interests of our members are protected.

Regards

Bob Cooper
President

Regards

Kim




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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:55

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:55
Now Now Kim,,,

4WDing, Camping & Caravaning Around Australia SITE,,, Not a gun club.... take you're business up with the dicks you need too, not here, you must know the ees. of the blokes who reply, so send them the message,, Its not to hard..

by the way if I had you as a member of my club and this is the way you respond (flashing allover a web site) I'd be having a word to you... :-(((

Richard
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:42

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:42
I guess you dont like shooting as a sport
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:37

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:37
Never held a gun in my life.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:50

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:50
You'd better complain about my post regarding printers Richard and the one asking about VOIP and there was another about....
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:09

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:09
wasnt asking you truckie
but you should try it...it can be fun and if you take it up seriously target shooting is a mentallly demanding sport...so can feral pest destruction be and which i generally physically demanding
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Follow Up By: Member - LOS BUSH - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:51

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:51
I agree with you I really enjoy pistol shooting and Truckie if you are ever in WA contact me and I will take you down to our club for a few shots most people are are enjoy their first gun experience in a controlled enviroment All the best Los
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:58

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:58
Los
what disciplines do you shoot
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Follow Up By: 96 GXL 80 series - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:15

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:15
Hi Richard,
where does not shooting and hunting not become part of 4WD / Camping and so on?

Many a good family outing has been had over a bunny being cooked over the camp fire.

It is sites like this that may have never kicked off only for the input of licenced shooters.

Who helps keep our forests and ranges free from feral animals? do you?

Who helps to do scientific tests on feral animals ? do you?

Who helps to keep count of what feral animals are in forests? do you?
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:06

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:06
No. 1

why not sort it out with the SSAA, not post it in this site?

Nothing to do with sport
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:10

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:10
Hi Mike

the info has nothing to do with the site, guns that is,printer and VOIP (not sure what that is) but how could I print off your very informative post if I didn't have a printer?
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:20

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:20
96

at 5 yoa I could kill a bunny with my bare hands, while picking up the ferret up by the tail... LOL

Done my time with guns, can shoot, but when I moved over to WA and after Pt Arther I hand back my VIC. Licence sold what guns (or destroyed) what guns where registered, gave the others to collectors (hells angles I think) ... ;-)

nothing to do with what you,re trying to say
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:05

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:05
Your responses make little or no sense Richard. They merely seem to demonstrate an irrational hatred of firearms.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:20

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:20
Mike

I never make sense, hatred if a BIG word maybe dislike, and of the grandstander's who use them and sprook about them.. it's a bit cock in hand stuff

Richard Kovac
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:02

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:02
Kim...to keep Kovac happy (so he doesnt have read Off Topic subjects) please put OT at the beginning when starting a new post.....
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 18:52

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 18:52
Gidday No 1

In future I'll publish the following disclaimer prior to the actual post. Two day's notice.... what'd reckon?

We can't be upsetting the Tender Nettles, can we:

'On the (date) I Intend to post, what could construed as off tropic, contentious in it's subject matter, a whole load of dribble or just a bit of good humoured banter'

LOL

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 20:53

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 20:53
Now Kim you're starting to show your true colours

and Richard no-name I think you're already been told this month... LOL

Regards

Richard Kovac
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 21:21

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 21:21
Gidday Richard

Don't take the reply too seriously mate. Just having a bit of a dig.

On to other things, where is The Brewery Sandstone and what is the history of the tunnel? I've never heard of it.

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 21:25

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 21:25
Check out this link The Brewery Sandstone WA
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Reply By: Derek 48 - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:05

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:05
I have been a member of the SSAA for 30 odd years and have not been notified of price rises .

What State are we talking about .

I see you are in Vic

I live in NSW

Derek
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:49

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:49
I think Kim is referring to the cost of registering a firearm with the relevant government department.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:54

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:54
Derek

I've just received this reply back from the Ssaa (Bob Cooper)

'Kim, The most expedient way to view the proposed fee increase is to go to www.cfcv.org.au and then “current news” and then “Police Minister seeks 660%+….” and click on the line for more information.

The latest news is that VFCC (Victorian Firearms Consultative Committee) of which SSAA is a member yesterday put forward for the Ministers consideration that a 2.5% increase across the board would be palatable to all concerned and raise the required revenue. Submissions on other issues will follow and we are reasonably confident that common sense will prevail. Regards, Bob.

Regards

kim



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Follow Up By: Derek 48 - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:00

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:00
Thanks for that Kim .

Always trying to more from the shooter

Derek
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Reply By: Gob & Denny - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:27

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:27
goodday guys
i havent had to pay to register my guns in vic only cost is my shooters license the powers that be only keep a check on my gur serial numbers

steve
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