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I am looking to buy a 2005 Cruiser auto diesel GXL but am confounded by the prices being asked by dealers and private sellers. The private blokes want $5 to $10k above the carsales valuation in general (some more). Am I or carsales not being realistic? Is this a result of the late release of the 200 series? Would appreciate the opinions of those who know as this is a big decision (for me).
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Reply By: desert - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:07

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:07
perhaps the private sales are factoring in after-market accessories in their wish-for price.
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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:12

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:12
Hi Morgan

Its amazing when you wave some Cash in front of them,when you
make a reasonable offer, how they jump at it.

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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:54

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:54
The prices at the time of the initial release of the 200 seemed to go up drawn by the increase in price of the new ones. I saw a 200 GXL with the optional KDSS suspension today though at a 'Drive away" price nearly $3k below the listed price of the GXL without the KDSS, before delivery charges, so quite a discount.

When reality comes back to the market, they may all come back a bit. Friend says he had seen the VX at a similar price in a 200!
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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:59

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 21:59
carsales valuations... well, they are pretty worthless. The price a car is worth is what someone is prepared to pay for it at the moment they buy it. That may be more and may be less than carsales valuations.

Every private bloke wants every brass razoo he can get. He thinks his truck is the best thing since sliced bread and that he needs to get back every dollar (or every $1,000 because as we know that is how much it costs to touch a truck) he has spent on it over it's pampered existence.

In reality, he eventually settles for a lot less, either as a trade-in at the dealers where those things are not even noticed, or he waits long enough for someone to come along willing to pay not quite so much less, but nearly so.

I don't think the 200 series would make any difference whatsoever.
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Reply By: Off-track - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:01

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:01
Yep, prices for 100TD's are staying high and even appreciating since the release of the 200. Demand outstripping supply. Have heard of some secondhand 06/07 models selling for more than their new price!

Probably looking at around 60k for a good 05 model.

They will come down eventually once the 200 has been around a bit, but I wouldnt expect them to plummet.

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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:05

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:05
I was monitoring prices of the 100 series diesels (on Carpoint) for about 12 months before the 200 came out.

There were some really attractive buys (in hindsight).

Since the 200 came out I am in no doubt whatsoever that the second hand 100's have gone up by $5,000 to $10,000.


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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:19

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:19
This reeeely proves the point when the 100 v8 vs TD comes along which it did often
alot thought that the 10k difference bought alot of fuel but at the end of the day the price difference would be more than made up with resale.
Toyota TD vehicles have always fetched above premium prices secoond hand
the 80 series
79 TD
and now the 100
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Reply By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:22

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:22
I have a very clean straight 11\02 T\D 5 speed auto, white ,factory mags and by the book services. Listed in trader if you or anyone else is interested. 0402 329 372. They are a fantastic motor car.
Cheers Rob Berrill
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:32

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 22:32
The yard I just bought my 100 series TD had 4, 1 was 00 with 190000 km they had $40000 on it, 2 was a 03 with 90000 km that was $55000, 3 was a 05 with 78000 it had $65000, and the one I bought was a 00 128000 km $ 40000 and I got $19000 for my 00 troopy with 22000 km.

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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 08:31

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 08:31
In Sept 07 I bought our 05 100 GXL TD 'MANUAL' for $54k at the SA Gov.t Auctions - I was probably bidding against dealers who put a hefty markup on them for yard sales. I too was aghast at what the dealers wanted for them. Most of the units coming through the auctions look very ordinary - a lot have had a hard 2 years in the bush - mine was an exception - very tidy in and out, and with a good list of offroad goodies already on there, I'm still happy - apples for apples, if auto comes into the equation, I was advised to expect approx. an extra $3k.
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Reply By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:06

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:06
Crickey, maybe i had best look at uping my insurance, i have a dec 03 TD Troopy 50k on the clock with 30k of extras on it.
Might have to get a valuation done for insurance?
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Reply By: Member - Dalb (SA) - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:09

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:09

I went thro this exercise exactly 12 months ago. I wanted a lowish mileage 100TD up to 5 years old, with as many extras as possible.

Not sure what you mean by car sales valuation, but if you mean the Red Book prices I found them to be almost $10k under what the going market price was at the time - and this was Australia- wide dealer and private prices, not just in one state.

I paid nearly $10K over the Red Book price (knowing it was a fair market price) but this caused a problem when I went to insure it.
The insurer (RAA Ins) was initially skeptical, but did not ask for a valuation as they were satisfied by a photo of the vehicle that clearly showed its condition, and luckily they agreed to insure the vehicle for what I paid for it.

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Reply By: morgan - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:49

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:49
Thank you all. The carsales valuations are from Red Book which are supposed to be from monitoring the market...............

My conclusion is that there has been an increase in newish 100 values as a result of the release of the dearer 200 series but that this will sort itself out as more 100s get traded by people and companies up grading to the 200 in the next year. That said there are some sellers out there who are not in touch with reality, when they ask for $60+ when next to their ad is the same vehicle for $55k and no big difference in accessories.

Will keep searching.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 19:08

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 19:08
13 months ago I bought a 2005 Feb GXL auto TD with 58,000 on it Cost $57,000.
So far done 21,000 with no trouble whatever.
Put an oil pressure gauge and a pyro on it and was at dealers on Wednesday and foreman told me it had perfect oil pressure. 20-30 lb on idle 50-60 on the road and 80-90 when cold.
Pipe temp post turbo at 110kph is 400deg C, at 60 around town about 300- 325
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Reply By: morgan - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 08:25

Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 08:25
Now is the time to sell!

Have just had an email for a lady who had a 2006 HDJ100R with 34,000km advertised for $70k. She tells me it sold for $68,500 and the auction place said she would get at least $60k there. It cost $75.5k new..........

She thinks it is because the 200 series is an unknown quantity - add that to delivery times and it is a sellers' market.
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