Are Jap Diesels Behind the 8 Ball?

Europeans have been designing and building Hi Tech diesels alot longer then the Japs.

You have to understand the Jap way of thinking and there philosophy, it is the same when you do business with them.

All you have to do is look at there truck engines upto a couple of years ago......19 Lt. and only 370 HP and 1300 foot pounds of torque, the yanks and the Europeans 450HP+ and 1600 foot pound out of a 11 Lt.

Regards Richard

Glen,

Round about 2000 Nissan stopped using their own RD28Ti in GU Patrol. This had been used for a long time and started out as the LD28 but not sure when.

They then hopped into bed with guess who and started using their 3ltr 4cyl diesel.
Yip, 'twas Renault.

It would appear that technology is heading down the track of "why use 4 cylinders when 8 or 10 will do" Mebe it's got sumpin to do with noise and vibes and pollution, driven by the greens sorta??

Just my thoughts

Glen,
Thanks for pointing that out - I'll know not to buy one :-))

4wds are not sports cars.
The Toyota V8 produces max torque at 1200rpm - like a real 4wd should.

Even old technology like mine gets max torque at 1400 rpm

Ya'all torque to much...Twanggggg

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when I used to be a frequent mover around Europe in the 70s diesels were very popular in Germany, particularly, back then. This was before all the high tech stuff and now they've advanced further stil.

Land Rover have always been streets ahead of the Japs in everything but reliability *

*ooh, controversial statement - standby........

Japanese cars were NEVER at the leading edge of technology.
They are low price alternatives for people who want to settle for second best. Always was always will be.. look at the new 200 series with its tiny wheel wells and low clearance ... a nice kindergarden car .. the ML280/350 is in the same price range and way ahead also in fuel consumption especially the D. Why do you think jap petrol engines are world class ??? Toyota is well known for its thirsty engines. V8 petrol eats easy 17/100 in city driving. Thats pathetic.
Petrol 4800 needs 25l/100 towing a double horsefloat ... pathetic
(don't tell me different we own(ed) both.) My Durmax Diesel needs 22l/100 fully loaded with a 1.8T slide-on camper and a 2.5t boat in the back going 110 uphill ... and the Americans are not the greatest diesel builders as well all know. I really wonder where you all get the impression that Japanese cars are great ...

have fun
gmd

I reckon the Japs have turned the corner, as I now drive a D4D Toyota Prado which returns at best 8,5 lts/100 ks and worst when towing was 12lts/100ks & that was with a head wind.

(Here is a little flak) I am not sure about the comments of the Discovery as they can,t make up their mind as to which engine (or country of origin) to use.
I have also heard of some very expensive repair bills re timing case problems on some earlier Italian engines?

Cheers,
Fazz

I guess the proof is in the pudding when Nissan will be sourcing their next 3.0L V6 diesel from Renault (or at least sourcing the technology) with 195kw and 550Nm for the Maxima, Murrano, and I would suggest Pathfinder and Navara also.

Mazda engines would use Euro technology also with their ties to Ford / PAG Europe, and I would suggest the Mazda 6 and CX7 will share a diesel (2.2L with 130kw/400Nm) with the Land Rover Freelander, Ford Mondeo and the CX9 using the 3.0L V6 from the next Land Rover Discovery and Jaguar. (upgraded from 2.7)

Ford will use this Euro technology from Land Rover in the 3.0L V6 diesel, which I am sure will be used in the Falcon and Territory, and US models, the 4.4L V8 based on the LR 3.6 will be used on the F150, F250, Expedition, Navigator and their will be an even larger engine, a 6.7L V8 based on the same technology for F250, F350 and F450 (to replace the International Navistar Powerstroke diesel) (and it all started from the LR 2.7 TDV6)

GM purchased VM Motori, so they have the Euro diesel technology in their hands now for their upcoming 2.9L V6 and 4.5L V8 Duramax. I would expect a replacement for their 6.6L in the near future too.

Rudolf Diesel was European not Japanese...

So we have a lot to be thankful for from the Europeans, in relation to diesel engines.

just remember the euros build their engines for super low sulfer fuel . it seems to me it could be risky fueling yr euro from drums on the CSR

I'll buy you a beer when your Renault derived Diesel gets to 600 000KMS OK.