80 series wheel bearings
Submitted: Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 09:30
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Member - len W (NSW)
hi guys i need to know from you mechanic out there how to replace the front wheel bearings on my 98 80 series Togo please
now i would like it explained in boofhead speak something an old concrete cutter would understand like
what size hammer ? , what swear words ? should wife and grand kids not be in ear shot ? should i face car to the road so the tow truck can get to it easy?
O h i have changed bearings on ordinary cars and caravans or should i take it to the man that knows ................. ty len
P/S I know to jack the wheels of the ground ahahahahah (beet ya )
pp/s the wagon is green to if that helps thanks again ..... len
Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 09:42
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 09:42
LCOOL wheel bearing repack techniques.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 12:18
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 12:18
Great link Phil ! Those little cone washes had me scratching my head the first time i took them off,also found i needed a slightly narrower socket to be able to get onto
the nut. Do you use LMM grease in the knuckles? I notice the grease he's putting in looks more like multi purpose or bearing,not the
grey paste of LMM?
Cheers Lyndon
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 13:54
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 13:54
Yeah Lyndon, its great to see how its supposed to be done, and by someone like Norm.
Norm uses valvoline greases. I use Valvoline Valplex M (same moly grease as castrol LMM) for the CVs. (and for all the grease nipples).
I am going to use the Valvoline wheel bearing grease for the bearings, but have a stock of Castrol HTB that I'll use up. One tub usually is enough for 4 wheels.
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Douglas M (SA) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 16:37
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 16:37
Hi Phil or anyone else really,
Is it really necessary pack that much grease into a birfield joint housing? Yes I'm talking about the housing not the joint!
Doug
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 16:47
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 16:47
I actually put in more, just because.
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 16:52
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 16:52
I think the answer is yes Doug, it's a bit of a dead loss system like an old radiator. Just think of all the grease you see on the ball, it's worked it's way out.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 18:54
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 18:54
Hi Phil
Do i get it right that you are using different grease for the CV's to the wheel bearings? I havn' ventured to the CV's yet but i did do wheel bearings last year and packed with castrol HTB, then i put on free wheeling hubs that i had disasembled and put back with castrol liplex EP 2 grease and then a week later realised how i had 2 different greases that would have some contact, so i pulled off the hubs and found already (only 500km) where the 2 different greases had touched it resulted in a slopy dark looking mix.
I have spoken to the castrol tech line in the past and they say BIG bad one to use diff greases in same location.
So can the grease from the wheel bearings come in contact with CV grease?
I wonder how much damage is done around the country when people go to different work shops using different greases that are in compatable???
Cheers GN
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 02:03
Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 02:03
GN,
Yep, the CV and bearing greases never mix because theres a double lip bearing seal and a gasket between them. The CV joint needs a black moly grease and the bearings need a HTB grease. Free wheeling hub needs a smear (ie bugger all) of bearing grease as they will mix with the wheel bearing grease.
And I don't think shops mix greases - the bearings are done every 20-40k, and the CVs (swivel hub) every 100k.
And yep, put plenty of grease in the swivel hubs even just to keep water out. This balck grease often goes liquid because diff oil can get past the axle seal and into the swivel hub. Just a nuisance really as it still lubricates
well. But if you pull a CV out, then replace the axle seal while you're there - its only a $10 part.
And theres plenty of ways to pull out the cone washers. No matter what you do, be gentle so you don't distort the cone - just be patients and tap each in sequence and eventually one will pop, and then another ....... I leave the nuts on so they don't get lost when they pop.
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Follow Up By: Ralph2 - Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:34
Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:34
Phill wouldn't know, would neaver of done one in his life,reads lots of books.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 14:25
Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 14:25
Ralph2, thanks for your usual complements. We're lucky that jerks like you aren't members here. I've been greasing wheel bearings for 33 years.
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Follow Up By: Ralph2 - Wednesday, Mar 05, 2008 at 10:44
Wednesday, Mar 05, 2008 at 10:44
What on your wheel barrow.Over the last couple of yrs Ive noticed you supply common knowledge info to a lot of posts, of no real value.nothing better to do I guess. Everything you own or use is always the best untill you try something else, by shooting your mouth off about one product one minute then changing your mind to the next product you use. Lacks credibility you Wanker and makes the
forum of less value to people trying to get facts before they purchase
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 05, 2008 at 19:20
Wednesday, Mar 05, 2008 at 19:20
Ralph2,
Can you be more specific?
I'm interested in some examples. I'm willing to listen to what you have to say, and maybe I can change my ways.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Mar 06, 2008 at 08:41
Thursday, Mar 06, 2008 at 08:41
Ralph2,
You could always use your real name instead of hiding behind someone elses. Though I suppose all the "Jeffs" are gone :-)))
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Follow Up By: Ralph2 - Friday, Mar 07, 2008 at 20:42
Friday, Mar 07, 2008 at 20:42
I think change is out of the question for you. You were a fullon wanker when I first met you and still are now. but next time I see you Ill make sure I give you some examples. And all the Jeffs havant gone,I dont know what thats got to do with you being a wanker, just proves what a wanker you are..
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Reply By: desert - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:30
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:30
Take it to the man to do. It's one of those jobs that need a certain "feel" to it, and if you stuff it up you risk loosing a wheel, which I don't recommend.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 12:01
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 12:01
True,if you don't have the right tools. If you have a torque wrench + the correct socket and the torque setting it's pretty hard to stuff up.
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 14:20
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 14:20
I would never ever hit the side of the hub shown on that site, the reason being is, that it distorts the hole and the cone washers will never sit in there properly again.
What will happen is the nuts and washers will work loose and then snap the studs, this happened to me on the Bungle Bungle road, what a fun day that turned out to be, end result will be new hub and new axles, Hub is approx $180 and new axles $700.
Undo
the nut so
the nut is at the end of the stud, then using a brass rod hit the end of the stud firmly this will pop the cone out, you then have no out of round cone holes and therefore no loose cones and nuts and no broken studs.
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 16:50
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 16:50
Agree Steve, that's how i do it
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 18:20
Saturday, Feb 23, 2008 at 18:20
If the hubs full of grease, theres no room for water...
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Reply By: Member - len W SWANSEA (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 06:00
Sunday, Feb 24, 2008 at 06:00
thanks fellers looks like a job for someone who knows what there doing i appreciate the feed back ............... len
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 16:14
Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 16:14
Len,
I hope you got the info you needed about the wheel bearings.
You will have received some of the abusive replies from "Ralph2" above that were directed towards me. I've just found out who he is. He lives in SA, his real name is Jeff, but hides behind the name "Ralph2". He belonged to the same 4wd club as I, and has an axe to grind, over multiple disciplinary actions against him over the past few years. He was recently voted off the committee at the club, because members had had enough.
So I apologise on his behalf for exposing you to those rubbish replies, in which he is publically trying to discredit me.
Cheers
Phil
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