80 Series LC - Petrol to Diesel

Submitted: Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 14:39
ThreadID: 54917 Views:9660 Replies:11 FollowUps:13
This Thread has been Archived
G'day All,

Long story short, but I am looking at replacing the 1FZ-FE petrol engine in my 94 80 series with a 1HD-FT diesel (if I can find one). Will talk to the professionals shortly, but I was wondering if anyone has done this replacement and able to offer any planning tips or suggestions?

Cheers,

Matt.
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 15:03

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 15:03
Matt,

I think that the cost of the conversion will be more than the vehicle is worth.

Don't get me wrong, the 80 Series would have to be the best 4WD that Toyota has made, but a 94 Cruiser petrol to a diesel would have to at a guess $15,000. This amount would vary depending on the cost of the motor, but $8000 to $10,000 for a recon motor would not be out of the question. They might be a bit cheaper now but I doubt it.

Not only would the motor have to be changed but a new wiring loom, fuel tanks, fuel lines and filters.

It would be a massive job and very expensive. It might be time to update to a diesel vehicle rather than a transplant.

Wayne
AnswerID: 289302

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 15:16

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 15:16
You are probably right Wayne, I guess that is the 'long story short' part. I figured that around $15K would be in the ball park for the changeover. Unfortunately, reliable and capable though they are, the petrol 80 series is worth nothing. Mine has fairly low kms (220K) and is in good nick with a few nice bits and pieces on it. Trade in value is about $7K and if I sold it for $10K privately, I would be doing well (that is assuming I could sell it).

So I ask myself what can I get for about $25K that I would like better than my current vehicle with a reliable (hopefully low kms) TD in it? The answer is not much really.

A good HDJ80R will still cost me $15K or better on the changeover, and London to a brick I will have to spend some extra on bits and pieces to set it up the way I want.

Anyhow, you could be right, but I am still keen to check it out as I am very happy with the current vehicle and would like to hang on to it for a few years to come, just with a TD in it.

Cheers,

matt.
0
FollowupID: 554594

Reply By: lizard - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 16:25

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 16:25
Have you considered a V8 chev diesel - aka Brunswicks ? probably around $17K
AnswerID: 289312

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 17:20

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 17:20
Lizard,

I think $17K would be on the cheap side. Yes, I have thought about it, but would like to stay with the Tojo engine (parts, serviceability, etc). Not that you can believe everything you read on this forum, but it seems a 50/50 bet between the 6.5 and the 1HD in terms of performance, at a fair price difference.

Matt.
0
FollowupID: 554602

Reply By: Member - Tour Boy- Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 16:28

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 16:28
Mate you can always go for a base model, RV or GXL 105 in a non turbo and put an aftermarket turbo on it. The susp in the 80 will swap over to the 105.
Regards
Dave
Cheers,
Dave
2010 Isuzu FTS800 Expedition camper
2015 Fortuner
Had 72 cruisers in my time

Lifetime Member
My Profile  My Blog  Send Message

AnswerID: 289313

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 17:21

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 17:21
Dave,

Certainly an option, but I like my current vehicle, I have had it for 8 years and know it well. Not entirely logical I know, but I am pretty keen to hang on to it for a while yet.

Matt.
0
FollowupID: 554603

Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 17:22

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 17:22
U could have a look at Ebay item no 330213712606 , buy it and swap your "extras" to it then flog off your petrol model ,,
AnswerID: 289322

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 17:29

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 17:29
Axel,

Its actually not a bad price for a (relatively) low km HDJ80R.

15 hours to go.................!! Not sure that it will get through the appropriations committee in that time.
0
FollowupID: 554605

Reply By: Member - Barnesy - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 19:05

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 19:05
I haven't done the swap (if it were me I would sell and replace). But it seems like you are sentimental about this 80 series.

Just a suggestion would it be worth buying another 80 series with the engine you're after and just do a straight swap of all of the parts between the 2 vehicles? It would probably still be a big job though.

or get a recon engine and buy a wrecked vehicle and take bits off of that?

or keep this petrol engine until it finally dies and reconsider your options then?

Barnesy
AnswerID: 289345

Reply By: Member - DOZER- Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 19:29

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 19:29
The swap is too hard, wiring is different, fuel lines are different, a hdft in a hzj105 or hzj80 is the go. if you are up for alot of work, the way forward is to buy a wreck from pickles.com.au and swap parts
b4 you bag me out, walk a mile in my shoes, then your a mile away and have my shoes :)

Member
My Profile  My Position  Send Message
Classifieds: Bt50/Ranger Speedy grande2 18x8 alloys (x4), Landcruiser 200 series/100 series 4 alloy rims with tyres and nuts GC

AnswerID: 289351

Reply By: Wayne's 60 - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 19:53

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 19:53
Hi Matt,

Try the trader section, 94 TD with bits asking 24k, might be worth a look. Not mine BTW.

Otherwise............ it all seems too hard to do the change as indicated above.
You don't indicate.....
How many KMs your vehicle has done
Why you want to sell the petrol version?

Maybe time to move on, I just have.
Regards,
Wayne.

AnswerID: 289355

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 20:28

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 20:28
Wayne,

Still costs me better than $14K on the changeover by the time you roll in stamp duty and the bits and pieces you need. I am getting the message about it being too hard I suppose, but I would imagine if I was thinking about a 6.5l Chev, then the same issues (wiring, fuel lines, etc) would still apply and plenty of folk head down that path.

I found a 1HD-FT in Darwin today with 30,000Kms for $11K. Talked to a local outfit who reckon it can be done with the cut motor for about $4K to fit it (not contemplating doing it myself). Devil is in the detail I suppose with a potential for costs to escalate due to unknowns. Still thinking about it though.

What did you buy? Do you need to change your screen name to Wayne's 200?

Thanks,

Matt.
0
FollowupID: 554650

Follow Up By: Wayne's 60 - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 21:16

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 21:16
G'day Matt,

I guess at the end of the day, you will head down the path you wish to, being a parent/s our children do this all the time, LOL.

Are you talking about a motor
"I found a 1HD-FT in Darwin today with 30,000Kms for $11K."??
There is a place in Melbourne ( I think ) that will do a new 1HD-FT for 10K ( if you are after more info I will look, please advise)

Quote... "Devil is in the detail I suppose with a potential for costs to escalate due to unknowns."

Oh, YES, there will always be the "UNKNOWN COSTS" that's the way it goes.

Ummmm, change my screen name? Probably, but to nothing quite so lofty. Have just moved up from my/we/our first 4WD, a 85 60 series, Diesel, Manual, Ally bar. Lots of GREAT TRIPS with our five children. Short version of a long story... spent money on it to keep it on the road...in the past eighteen months, alternator, starter, air con, head, injectors, suspension... it's a bit of a list. Have just bought a standard 80 series, a quantum leap forward for us. Hence my comment....sometimes you have to move forward, and bugger the expence!!

Thanks for your reply and your interest.

Cheers,
Wayne.
0
FollowupID: 554663

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 21:21

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 21:21
Wayne, no just the engine; no car attached. Any contact details for other sources appreciated if you can find them.

Cheers,

Matt.
0
FollowupID: 554665

Follow Up By: Wayne's 60 - Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 22:43

Monday, Feb 25, 2008 at 22:43
Hi Matt,
Am busy tonight, family get together... ie give me food... LOL
I will hunt up the information and post within the next 24 hours, if I can beforehand, I will do so.

Cheers,
Wayne.
0
FollowupID: 554682

Follow Up By: Wayne's 60 - Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 at 18:57

Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 at 18:57
Hi Matt,

I've had a problem locating the information, probably thrown out the magazine because my new cruiser is here. It was in the Just 4WD's magazine ( similar to Auto Trader) which seemed to be predominantly Eastern States advertising. Another forumite may be able to add more.
Sorry I can't.

Cheers,
Wayne.
0
FollowupID: 554811

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:25

Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:25
No probs Wayne. Google is my friend.
0
FollowupID: 554925

Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:55

Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:55
Save your $15000 and put it towards buying petrol.
AnswerID: 289446

Reply By: Col_and_Jan - Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 at 20:08

Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 at 20:08
Joff has/is doing something similar. Turbo diesel into a petrol 100 (105) series. A long and involved process. Not for the faint- hearted.
Check out the details here: Engine swap
AnswerID: 289529

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:26

Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:26
Thanks Guys, I'll follow with interest if he keeps it updated. Unlike Joff, it is not something I would contemplate doing myself. I simply don't have the space or time.

Matt.
0
FollowupID: 554926

Reply By: zigglemeister - Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 at 23:41

Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 at 23:41
Hi Matt,

I suggest you join the 80scool@yahoogroups.com landcruiser 80 series forum - they have a number of people on there in the States who have swapped 1FZ-FE's for diesels, because the diesels aren't available over there. So they should be able to give you some pointers - you'll probably find out a bit just by searching their archives...

Regards,
Tim
98 GU Patrol 4500 Petrol/Gas
AnswerID: 289587

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:27

Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:27
Thanks Tim. I have had a poke around LCOOL, just got to remember my login!

Matt.
0
FollowupID: 554927

Reply By: Rod W - Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:55

Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:55
If it the running costs that is an issue... have you considered and LPG conversion.
AnswerID: 289637

Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 13:06

Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008 at 13:06
Rod,

Yeh I have thought about it. Running costs are AN issue, but I have had the vehicle for 8 years now and loved it. It is really about deciding what vehicle I want for the next 5 years or so I suppose and this one with a TD would suit me well.

Matt.
0
FollowupID: 554955

Sponsored Links

Popular Products (14)