200 Series Jack

Submitted: Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 14:47
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Read this today, in a review of the 200 series

"Unfortunately, during our spell together, the diesel GLX picked up a nail in one front tyre and an embarrasing shortcoming of this otherwise impressive machine was revealed -- the provided bottle jack is too short to lift the vehicle high enough to change a wheel. To complete the exercise needs the added height of a couple of 50mm-thick planks of wood."

It may be a good idea for those of you that own one of these, to check that you can actually change your wheels with the supplied jack.
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 15:37

Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 15:37
You would have to be as thick as a 50mm plank !, not to take something to sit a bottle jack on anyway....lol.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 15:43

Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 15:43
If you are on your concrete drive you don't need it.

The jack should have sufficient length without needing a plank.
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Follow Up By: V8 Troopie - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 00:21

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 00:21
This may be an obvious question but does this car jack have a centre (inside the ram piston) that screws out to extend its range?
My jack has that feature and it took me a while to realise it (used wooden planks before that) :-)
Klaus
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:08

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:08
Hopefully it does - maybe the journalist missed the obvious?

At least if 200 series owners have a quick look they will be aware of what they've got, and if it is too short they can throw in the spacer piece they need.

That would be preferable to trying to find one at the worst time, such as getting a puncture while it's pouring with rain on a now muddy outback track :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 18:14

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 18:14
I checked my 100 series jack and it is a threaded type (not hydraulic) and once the first stage winds out it comes up against some resistance before the second stage begins to wind, I think that these journo's wound out the first stage and when they felt resistance they simply stopped, not knowing they where only halfway
Shane
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:20

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:20
almost definitly shane - those jacks go up waaay higher than you think. it looks like thats all theve got but there is another stage
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 16:52

Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 16:52
hmm Ive seen plenty of people struggle with yota jacks coz they dont read the sticker where to put them but the added size of the 17 inch wheels this could be possible if the jack is the same as the rest. they always needed close to full extension if used without a jacking block with standard tyres
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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 18:08

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 18:08
How does having 17" wheels affect how high to put the jack up?

Generally they are the same overall height of the standard wheels.

Shane
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:24

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:24
If they are the same OD then no it wont its just that While ive jacked up plenty of yotas on 16 inch wheels never with 17 inch so before i state the problem was with the user not the jack i thought that might be a contributing factor.
i have seen so many people struggle with a yota jack. driving onto rocks, digging holes, using a highlift instead just coz they didnt know how to use one
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:39

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:39
I would've thought that the larger the diameter of the wheel for any given tyre diameter, then the less high (if that makes good grammar) you would have to jack the truck when you've got a flat tyre.

Picture it: if you have 35" tyres on 15" rims and you get a flat, your truck's axle (or other jacking point) is gunna be just that much closer to the ground as the rim is smaller. Regardless of whether it has 15" or 17" rims, you've still gotta get it up to the same height to be able to get a fully-inflated tyre onto the truck...... it's just that the smaller the rim's diameter, the higher you have to jack it up from a standing start. So, as I say, the 17" rims should make it less important how much travel the jack has available.

Hope that sorta makes sense?

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:52

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:52
Yea it does and i agree but only if the wheels OD is the same (eg 17 inch wheels with I dunno 60 profile with your 15 inch rims with 85 profile or whatever.
If the 17 inch wheels are the same OD as a normal cruiser with its 7.5x16 or 265x75 (both the same OD) then the jack should work just fine
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Reply By: Russ n Sue - Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 17:27

Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 17:27
Goes to show ya! If he had some tyre plugs he wouldn't have even needed the jack to fix a nail puncture. Why people don't carry just a couple of plugs bewilders me.

Cheers,

Russ.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 19:16

Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 19:16
Useless if you puncture the sidewall, eh?? Then you'd still need the jack.

And you still need pliers and a compressor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davidp P (VIC) - Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 22:32

Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 22:32
Yeah, ya need to watch out for all those builders nails on the CSR!!!.......silverback
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 23:32

Saturday, Mar 08, 2008 at 23:32
"Useless if you puncture the sidewall, eh?? Then you'd still need the jack" I can't believe that was said. I have used them up the side as have others I know.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 00:30

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 00:30
They work just fine in the sidewall, the pliers (you dont need them for sidewall slashes anyway) are in the factory toolkit and f your driving a 4by rou
nd without a compresser a flat tyre is probabably the least of your worries
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:44

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:44
Davoe, pliers and a compressor WITH the tye plugs sounds a lot better than getting the jack out, the wheel braces, and taking wheels off and replacing.

I have seen multiple plugs in one sidewall hole.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:04

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:04
Jeez I'm stupid.

When coming down the Birdsville track, my travelling companion punctured a rear tyre. The flailing rubber of the shredding tyre ripped off his mud flap, dented the vehicle behind the mud flap, and he ran on the rim till he stopped.

We changed the wheel, using his jack, and a shovel to dig a hole first so we could get it under the axle, etc, etc.

IF ONLY WE HAD THOUGHT TO USE A PLUG - DUH

The point of the post was to make owners of 200 series aware their jack may be too short, since checking the operation of the jack is not usually the first thing someone does straight after shelling out more than $70,000 for a new car.

I certainly agree that repairing on car is better, but I would use Slime as it's far easier than the plug to repair small holes, but that's not the point of the post.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:08

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:08
Big difference between a puncture and a tyre shredding and falling apart (although that usually starts from an unnoticed puncture)
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:52

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:52
Gerhardp1,

I got your point! I wasn't attempting to lessen your point, but simply point out that plugs are a very good alternative to hard work.

I had a Pajero for 2 years and did 117,000Km in that time on tracks that were made to puncture tyres. I got numerous "green stick" and foreign object punctures and fixed every one with plugs. I never used the jack in that car from the day I purchased it to the day I sold it.

Just as you were trying to pass on helpful advice, so was I.

Cheers,

Russ.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 11:31

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 11:31
"Useless if you puncture the sidewall, eh?? Then you'd still need the jack"

then later

"When coming down the Birdsville track, my travelling companion punctured a rear tyre. The flailing rubber of the shredding tyre ripped off his mud flap, dented the vehicle behind the mud flap, and he ran on the rim till he stopped."

They are such totally different events

Bit one extreme to another Gerhard ......

Russ n Sue, I am with you, and I have never had Slime work for me in the cases I have tried and it won't travel up the sidewalls where plugs do work.

I would be extraordinarily surprised if the Yota jack didn't extend. I know the 100 Series does Two short planks I think in the case of the original poster quoted.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 18:19

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 18:19
I had to go to the extreme to take the focus off how a plug will compensate for a jack that's too short.

I mean, what's a plug got to do with a jack?

You may well be extraordinarily surprised if the Yota jack didn't extend, and I'm pretty sure the Journalist felt the same way when he found it didn't. The 100 series is totally irrelevant to this thread

If you read my original post again I'm pretty sure I said "It may be a good idea for those of you that own one of these, to check that you can actually change your wheels with the supplied jack."

I didn't ask for irrelevant comments from those who DON'T own one, who merely make stupid comments along the lines of "I'm sure Toyota wouldn't do that", when I was passing on what could be vital info for someone.

You may never have had success with Slime, but I have used it with two punctures through the tread, and it was 100% successful.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:29

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 19:29
Slime is very 'hit and miss', even your testament says you had two hits. I have used bottles from time to time with none with several formulations.

Gerhard, I HAVE a Yota jack. It actually does extend. You are the one changing stories.
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Reply By: Member - Jeff R (SA) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 17:45

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 17:45
After the chat about sidewall punctures I thought it might be a good idea to answer the questions raised about the jack.
I just looked at my jack (which I don't use as I take a much stronger one with me on trips) which I would use if I had a flat around town.
It does have plenty of extension to lift the vehicle if jacked in the correct position (which is actually printed on the jack itself)
It does not have a screw out extension. It only has the dual stage screw up lifting of the jack itself.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 18:20

Sunday, Mar 09, 2008 at 18:20
At last, someone who can respond on topic.

My faith is restored :)
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