Next G 3G

Submitted: Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:25
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Dumb question, but what is the difference ?
Vince
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:33

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:33
The only dumb question is the question NOT asked ,, 3G - NextG = 1 and same except for coverage and trademark for different service suppliers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:30

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:30
The NextG network can also be used to provide broadband internet access.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 07:19

Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 07:19
Axel, You say that 3G - Next G = 1 and same...

Telstra web site says;

You cannot use a 2100mHz 3G phone on the Next G network, they operate on different frequencies.


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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:34

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:34
Vince,

Next G replaces CDMA and 3G is the new GSM, I think.


Wayne
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Follow Up By: Vince NSW - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:38

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:38
thanks for the speedy answers
Vince
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:27

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:27
There are no plans to close down GSM networks and replace them with 3G.
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Reply By: Sacred Cow - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:41

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:41
Next G is Telstra's marketing name for its 3G mobile network. The Telstra Next G network uses the 850 MHz band.

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Glenn
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:46

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 19:46
Vince,

This might explain the difference.

link

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 16:40

Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 16:40
Wayne,

well done. Your the only one that applied some common sense to your answer rather than !@#$ pluck some sort of reply.

The link solved the mystery immediately.

I'm not sure why Vince couldn't have gone to theTelstra website in the first place.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Mar 25, 2008 at 17:19

Tuesday, Mar 25, 2008 at 17:19
Wayne's link in clickable form

There are some extras available on Next-G that are not on 3G, but I forget what they are. Data is available on both.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Mar 25, 2008 at 17:27

Tuesday, Mar 25, 2008 at 17:27
The link inserting tool does not seem to be working. Here is an easier one to copy and paste.

http://www.fonezone.com.au/?p=5

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Reply By: obee - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:01

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:01
I's all designed to get more money from you. My cdma was pre pay but not next g. They want you to into the message bank trap, video that is useless to grown ups ,expensive internet connections and plans that lock you in for two years. And they have They monopoly on country usage. Telstra that is.

My little prepaid costs me thirty dollars for six months and I am sticking with it. You want to call me wait til I get home. If it is really important call the emergency number. (no dont take that last bit seriously. Must watch that tongue in my cheek!)

Yeah there are a lot of folks who really need it in the country and that is one of the drawbacks to living remote.

Owen
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Follow Up By: Harrow - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:45

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:45
Obee

A bit hard saying Telstra have a monoply on country usage

More like that everyone has gone for the easy markets (High return and client base for a relativly small investment)

Even then the only reason telstra is in the bush is because it is obligated to by legislation.

The reality is your lucky to have the service you have for the cost.

If pure market forces were in play you would have no service or it would cost 3 times as much

Dont get me wrong I m from the bush and thinks its been neglected, from an insitutional viewpoint

No more votes or bucks left in the bush, a far cry from the country that rode on its primary industries of just40 years ago.
Economic rationalism I believse its called

Cheers

Harrow
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Follow Up By: obee - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:57

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:57
Yep you are right on. I get carried away a bit. But live in hope because suddenly there is a food shortage and all those billions of people overseas can afford to buy our excess. When the good old USA folds China wont need all that iron ore and the farmer will be king again.

Meantime I just stop eating so much LOL

take care

Owen
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Follow Up By: Patrolman Pat - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 22:05

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 22:05
Obbe pre-pay NextG has been available for over six months. Video calls, TV and email are all options that you don't have to use, mine get used very rarely. Voice mail is very handy for me.

No affiliation with telstra just a satisfied customer.
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Follow Up By: obee - Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 19:39

Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 19:39
yes I should have said prepay but runs out every thirty days. My cdma account ran for six months on fifteen dollars.

Vale cdma

Owen
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:26

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:26
NextG
- Only provided by Telstra
- Operates only on 850MHz (CDMA and Analogue antennas work)
- Provides very highspeed data allowing video and internet access
- the ONLY network with wide coverage in Australia
- most NextG PHONES can also access the 3G and GSM networks
- will not work using a GSM antenna

3G
- a technical term abused by marketers
- multiple providers
- operates on 2100MHz and is ONLY provided in major capital cities
- provides high speed data allowing video calls
- will not work using a GSM antenna

GSM
- offered by every provider
- operates on 900(950)MHz
- slow speed data
- will not work more than 35km from the basestation , even with a strong signal
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Follow Up By: muckrunner - Sunday, Mar 23, 2008 at 19:48

Sunday, Mar 23, 2008 at 19:48
the cdma arial dosnt work correctly as the only one that works best is the black stick arial with the combo cdma and gsm rated at
824 to 900 mhz and the 6.5 db

just the plain cdma want work properly as keeps interfeering with the cdma network and gives you false signal as i had one on my telstra truck and then swaped it for the other and now full signal where ever i go
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:09

Tuesday, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:09
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Reply By: stocky - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:50

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 20:50
3G = 3rd Generation mobile phones - generic term used to describe phones with high speed data and all the fruit etc etc etc

NextG = Telstra's name for just one of the possible "3G" phone bands and operates exclusively on 850Mhz - and a GSM antenna WILL work - just not as well as it could - it is recommened to have the right antenna as the wrong antenna *may* damage ur phone :-)
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Follow Up By: Ken - Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 21:40

Monday, Mar 10, 2008 at 21:40
Correct Stocky. GSM antennae are not optimal for 3G but they certainly works and certainly give better signal strength than the phone alone.
For best performance any transmitter should have properly a matched antenna, however in practice the antennae of mobiles are far from perfect due to size and styling issues and as such mobile phones are capable of working with a range of variable, sub optimal conditions including less than perfectly matched GSM antennae.
Ken
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 07:40

Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 07:40
Hi Ken ,

Could you please suggest a brand / model that is a perfectly matched antennae for Next G . I need a robust fibreglass pole type as they get a flogging on my bull bar .

They could tell me anything in a shop , so I would appreciate some guidance .

Thanks ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: stocky - Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:15

Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:15
RFI CD2100 series

or

ZCG SGDB

:-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:18

Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:18
Willie

I have the RFI Model Number is CD1795 Broomstick - 3cm diameter and a metre long. It's Dual Band and it gives 6dB gain from 825-960 MHz - i.e. over the GSM and the NExtG bands. I believe RFI now make a 3-band one that also works on the 3G band (2100MHz) so you'll 3G in CBD areas where NextG may not work.

Or according to other advice here, you could just use any old GSM antenna - yes, you will still get reasonable coverage in populated areas - thanks only to the incredible coverage available from numerous cell towers and phones so good that they get coverage even with no antenna visible on the phone, your head absorbing signal on one side and hand absorbing signal on the other side.
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Follow Up By: stocky - Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:27

Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 09:27
I personally use the CD1795 - which has now been replaced with the CD2100 series - you are correct Mike R

THE ZCG SGDB is also nice - they made the "original" choccy brown broomstick andtenna that was so excellent on the old analogue system. The SGDB is just a dual band version of the same antenna :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 16:16

Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 at 16:16
Stocky and Mike,
Thanks for the info . I will look around for one of those two . I have plenty of time , as I am going to wait for Nokia to bring out a Next G model . That may be wishful thinking , but I will wait till CDMA is turned off , anyway .
Willie
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