(Off Topic) Spam Problems??

Submitted: Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 20:57
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I get 40 spams a day to my Hotmail account, and around 30 to Yahoo, Wonder why?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/18/eveningnews/main559272.shtml

"Every day, Scelson says he sends out an average of 180 million spam messages"
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Reply By: Martyn (WA) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:01

Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:01
At least I only sent multiple follow-ups.................. Ho ho hoKeep the shiny side up
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:19

Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:19
Thats win98se for ya ..... :'(
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:29

Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:29
How did you get rid of the duplicate post?Keep the shiny side up
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - David - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:40

Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:40
It comes from above (or should that be it goes from above) anyway it's gone.Regards
ExplorOz Team - David
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Always working, not enough travelling ;-)
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 22:11

Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 22:11
AWwwwwwweeeeeeeee Dave, I could have had him going for days on that one ;)
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Reply By: Darren - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:55

Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 21:55
In Hotmail if i rember right, under options you should be able to turn off the ads which will stop the spams
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 22:23

Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 22:23
Ads dont stop/cause spam at all! Only if your dumb enough to click on them and enter your email addy!!

once people get your email addy, usually by registering for competitions, or anything, from Webpages, etc, they sell it, Email addys are worth a fortune.

mate does security work, they called up a place that sells Australian Email addys and within a day he had a CD with a program and 1200 email addys...
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Follow Up By: bruce.h (WA) - Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 16:09

Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 16:09
its not only your email that is colated & sold
phone fax & address are all available on disk for purchace this information is gathered evreytime you subscribe to mags buy stuff with credit cards, answer consumer surveys & have your phone numberplaced in the white pages & many of the local council on sell the information that they gather as this provides them with extra income,most of the time this practice is perfectly legal,
Regards Bruce
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Reply By: Member - Cocka - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 22:43

Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 22:43
I reacon that any of these universal hot boxes like Hot Mail are open to abuse. You want something cheap you pay the price one way or another.
I had a time when I got all this US gambling guff, never been interested in any of it, someone said ignore it and they'l go away , that was BS. So I sent them back everything they sent me 10 fold in every which format, I thought I'll stuff you like your stuffing me and it worked. The word was REMOVE.
Then I finished up changing my ISP so nobody knows where I am now.
If all else fails change names, its like a breath of fresh air. Carpe Diem
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 22:45

Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 22:45
Ahhhh Click here to Remove.... All that does is shows them that the Email address is still Active... They said that on the same interview today on the tele, so DONT click remove!!!!

Sending it back usually doesnt work as if they are smart, they use madeup RETURN address' that dont exist :(

I agree with the change ISP's. I use my Hotmail addy for everything but email! registering for thigns, selling things, what ever, then reply to genuine people from my real optusnet account.
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Follow Up By: Jason (macca) - Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 07:22

Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 07:22
Truckster,

I think there is a spam guard in yahoo that you can activate. I believe it works 50 percent of the time. Not sure about hotmail.
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Reply By: Luke - Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 11:19

Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 11:19
hahaha!!!

You know what I really"love"?

The spam that I get every day advertising anit spam software :rolleyes:

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BTW Truckster...email me with your address so I can send that cd today - I don't have it at work.

eberbachl@yahoo.com.au

Cheers,

Luke.
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Reply By: andy - Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 20:51

Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 20:51
The only time I have ever submitted any detail online was when I registered my TAB betting account online. This resulted in me getting on a whole heap of spam sending databases. I have recieved junk from all types of businesses including nudie girls. All originated in the USA. I am reallybleepoff with the TAB as it could only have come from them. Andy
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Follow Up By: Luke - Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 23:05

Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 23:05
Hey Andy,

Don't be too hard on TAB just on an assumtion.....there are LOTS of other ways your email address can get into spam databases than just registering for something online....

Cheers,

Luke.
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Reply By: Flesh - Saturday, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:58

Saturday, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:58
Spam is a worldwide epidemic and many countries have now legislated to make the practice illegal. The forging of sender email addresses (as most spammers do) is also illegal.

All unauthorised email should be reported to the senders ISP by forwarding the email complete with the full headers to the domain indicated in the sender's addy. eg. asnjifhfn@yahoo.com should be forwarded to abuse@yahoo.com. Most large webbased email systems use the addy abuse@the domain.com as their addy for their anti spam campaigns.

Yahoo! and others will take action on those forging the use of a Yahoo! addy as it is a breach of thir copyright. If you don't know how to get the full headers - right click on the email header and then properties then the detail tab (MS outlook express) cut and paste all that you see to the top of the email and forward o abuse@.......

There are many sites devoted to the fight against spam. Here's one.
Learn more...
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2003 at 09:08

Saturday, Jun 21, 2003 at 09:08
Its an idea to send it to abuse@yahoo etc... but now 90% of the email addys they use are fake, or the people are their own ISP, nobody to ban them...

I gave up sending to abuse@hotmail and yahoo and ... Never got anywhere, got the same mails day in day out, just used to deleting the crap.

Yahoo has MUCH better antispam than Hotmail.
YmmV.
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Follow Up By: Flesh - Sunday, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:17

Sunday, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:17
Truckster,

That is true as I say most email addys are forged. However big corps like Yahoo! MSN etc don't take kindly to these people using their Trade Mark in this way and will sue if/when they find them.

They are usually not their own ISP they run their own web and email servers (as I do) but they must still have and ISP to connect their server to the network (ISP).

If you look at the headers you will see the path that the message takes through the various ISP's to get to your ISP and finally to your Inbox. It's the info in these headers that the authorities use to track the spammers. Most ISP,s have an anti-spam policy and will terminate their service. They (the spammers) will then of course move to another ISP and start again. Hopefully they are eventually prosecuted and sued.

Look out for the new marketing epedmic coming to your computer - instant messages. Those things that just pop up in a messenger (not MSN Messenger) window.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jun 22, 2003 at 22:23

Sunday, Jun 22, 2003 at 22:23
Flesh, the bloke that this article is from has a T1 connection to the net, not Via an ISP, its direct with the telecommunications company, as do most of the 'serious' spammers.

But agree, most people just run a webserver with static IP.
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Follow Up By: Flesh - Monday, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:54

Monday, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:54
Truckster, I run my web server from a dynamic IP and on dial-up. Of course it's not on 24/7 just for testing a site I'm developing. And from a caravan as I travel around oz. (I got a long phone line :-))

Anyway if we want to stop spam we all should return the headers to the senders ISP and to your own ISP. There is a big push by industry and Gov to stop it. It is estimated that more than 30% of email traffic is spam (and increasing) and if not stopped will destroy the email system.

My hotmail acount is all but useless gets about 40 - 50 per day after using my full quota of address filters (250).

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:08

Monday, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:08
yea Hotmail is generous with their 250 address' to block, but in reality, chances are they were false address' anyway, you could clear them out and add another 250 false ones and get the same result..

Shame really. or is that sham..

Im like you my Hotmail gets around 50 a day, but I usually use it for registering for things on the net, so cant expect anything else, but my real email account gets none yet.
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Reply By: G.T. - Monday, Jun 23, 2003 at 14:11

Monday, Jun 23, 2003 at 14:11
Truckster, The answer to your problem is feedback@mailwasher.net
It`s free to individuals, ( donations accepted) business people pay a fee.
Sorry that my reply is late, only get time to get onto this forum once or twice at this time of the week, because of shift work. Regards G.T.
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