$$ for 2nd hand HF

Submitted: Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:51
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Morning all,

Had a bit of a sticky beak around at used HF radios, and found that they vary quite a lot.
I understand that the more features and the newer and more popular models will be more expensive.

What is a fair price to pay for a 2nd unit, and which brand to buy.

Can you install an HF or do you need to get it professionally installed.

Space is an issue as the better half doesn't like too much stuff around her feet.

Are the units easy to use.

I also might have the opportunity to borrow an HF unit from my Step Father. The only thing he asked is that it goes onto our insurance policy, and that is fine with me, but the better half is a little concerned with this. Hence my thinking of getting a second hand unit. The reason for a HF and or Sat phone is for our 3 1/2 - 4 month trip we have coming up to Innamincka and surrounds.

Any feedback greatly appreciated.

Greg
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:11

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:11
There's a lot of good used units around at most times - IMO, $2000 would be the max that you'd need to pay privately for a good unit with all the latest features. There seems to be safety in staying mainstream re brands for service / support - Barrett 950 / Codan 9323 would be my targets. Re usage - a quick demo will have you up and away - the finer points can be learned as you go. Installation - I think you need to be confidently handy with basic vehicle electrics at least - otherwise have it done by someone who is qualified (and preferably experienced in that field) - "done correctly the first time" is always a assett - if only I'd learn that myself ! :-o.
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Follow Up By: Topcat (WA) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:27

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:27
Also remember you require a licence to operate this equipment. The easier way is become a member of VKS-737 (www.vks737.on.net) which will cost you around $96.00 a year. Otherwise apply for an Outpost Radio Licence (www.acma.gov.au) which will allow you to use the RFDS frequencies. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:42

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:42
Hi Darian,

There is one on the EO trader. It's a Coden 8525 with outback 9 series antenna and remote head.
Do you know the difference between the 8525 and the 9323.
Is the 8525 a good unit.

My Step Father said that if we were to use his then we would need to get it installed by someone who is experienced.
It's great to be offered his HF, but I would feel pretty lousy if something happened to it.
Plus he will be fitting it into his new truck when he gets it (whenever that may be), so then we will have to get one anyway, especially if we do some more trips outback, and I suppose the excuses start to dwindle when you get the appropriate gear. lol

Doing it right the first time is always good, but by stuffing up at least you get the chance to practice a fair bit. I spend quite a bit of time practising. hehe

Greg
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 15:19

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 15:19
I'll leave others to comment on the merits of Codan models - I use the Barrett 950 and it has been very good for me. I had presumed you were talking long term ownership - installation of a unit seems indicated only for longer term ownership IMO - people who want reliable long distance comms for the short term, would consider hiring a boxed unit with battery clips for the power supply and a temporary antenna..... a sat phone might be better for your needs (see the comms page here) - as I see it, an HF installation done well takes a fair bit of time and some planning (well it does for me) so I need a very good reason to undo all my good work.
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 16:15

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 16:15
Darian,

No worries about leaving others to comment on the Coden.

The idea with the HF was to keep it for quite a while as I wish to get away for at least a couple of weeks a year (well thats my idea anyway), and head south or north or west (from Maryborough in QLD there aren't too many places to head east. lol)

On the subject of hiring an HF, I looked on jimshire@aussiewide.com, the website given to me by footloose and stu and I can hire these as well. For around $540 for the HF and around $1100 for a Satphone for the entire trip. I don't think that is too bad a price, but will send them an email to see what can be done.
The cost of phone calls might be an issue, but I will talk it over with the better half and see what she thinks.

Thanks for the info and advice.

Greg
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 20:46

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 20:46
Just noticed in the latest newsletter for the www.hfradioclub.com.au - they have used 9323 systems complete for $2200 incl. delivery - might be members only - don't know.
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Reply By: Footloose - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:36

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:36
If you can borrow that unit then I'd go for it. Perhaps the step father could also help with installation etc. 2 grand for three months could buy a lot of fuel.
Why not hire a satphone or HF radio ?
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:58

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:58
Hi Footloose,

Don't get me wrong, I would like to borrow it, but would feel pretty lousy if something happened to it.
He won't help with the installation as he gets it all done by professionals. He had it installed into a Disco when he was in Adelaide quite a few years back (He is born and bred SA, but now lives in QLD).
I realise that it the money could be spent elsewhere, but the cost of hiring a satphone is up there with the cost of purchase. One company was $2500 for 3 1/2 months, and another company was around $1400. If there are cheaper hire plans out there I would consider them, but at that price I might as well buy it and at least have something for my money.
I haven't looked into hiring a HF as yet, but will try over the next week or so.

Is it possible for you to email me.. grvlsobczak@aapt.net.au

Greg
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:05

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:05
Hi Greg, have you tried http://www.jimshire.aussiewide.com/ ? They advertise the cheapest sat phone hires in Oz.
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:12

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:12
Footloose,
Thanks for that, I will have a look at their site now.

Thanks.

Greg
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:25

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:25
Greg, mention my name and I'm sure you'll get a discount there :))
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:35

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:35
Thanks Footloose, I will send them an email and see what they can do.

Cheers Greg
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Follow Up By: Stu & "Bob" - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 14:00

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 14:00
Hi Greg,
Here is another one for the same website.
HF and satphone hire

I have been dealing with them for a number of years, and always found them to be truthful, very experienced, and hire out well maintained equipment.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 18:17

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 18:17
He's gunna blush if you keep it up :-))
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Follow Up By: Kev & Darkie - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 18:20

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 18:20
Greg,

That bloke Footloose referred to is a great bloke and always willing to help a new commer to the HF side of travelling.

Best bloke I have dealt with in regards to HF stuff and Info :)

Cheers Kev
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Reply By: Louie the fly - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:52

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:52
Very easy to install (I installed dozens of Codans for SA government in the early 90's).
- Use a good fuse. The original fuse supplied with a Codan was a ceramic "house" type fuse in a bakelite type housing. And carry a spare 2 or 3 plus some fuse wire.

- Use the correct size power cable

- Keep the coax and the control lead separate to the vehicle wiring as much as possible

- Mount the main unit securely. HF's mount well on cargo barriers (on the cargo side)

- Make sure you trial fit everything before drilling any holes. I used to make spacers and small brackets to pick up the screw holes in the trim. Mount the remote head where The Handbrake will not bash her head or her knees.

Be prepared to have to pull a fair bit of trim out. Be patient, especially if you have a Pajero. I always found the trim to be less forgiving than Nissan and Toyotas. BTW, if running cable under the carpet check them for cracks or nicks in the insulation. Repair with heatshrink if required.
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10
Louie the fly,

Thanks for the info. I suppose it is like wiring up my two-way, just a little bigger. Have some more info to think about now.
You are right about the trim, horrid stuff, but once you remove it the first time it is a little easier the second ( I hope!!!)

Thanks.

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Follow Up By: Louie the fly - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:27

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:27
Before I got the right tools I busted a few bits of trim. One was in the divisional GM's brand new Mitsubishi Verada sedan. What a bugger! Week later, after I bodgied it up as best as I could (and losing countless hours sleep looking for a new job) I got a letter from him saying Great Job. Go figure...

The cable under the carpet thing is really important as you dont want to get 1/2 way thru a creek and everything cuts out because water has got inside the wiring.
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:48

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:48
Louie the fly,

Yeah water is a bit of an issue. I hate seeing things not sealed properly. I try to use heat shrink on all of my wiring. Amazing stuff that heat shrink.

Them plastic panels are a easy to break, and if you don't break them you break the lugs off the back.

Cheers Greg
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 15:34

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 15:34
Forgot to say..... several years back I saw a very good 9323 system complete go for $2000 private. Since then, I've seen people ask $2500 ! My Barrett 950 was $1500 (a bargain at the time), but at that time some people were asking well over $2000 -$2500 ...used Codan units usually command say 20-25% more than comparable Barretts.....IMO, if you bought something at a 'bargain' price, you'll get your $ back after a few years anyway - if you buy something at the 'right' price, the depreciation will probably be quite reasonable for your usage. Keep in mind the latest Barrett 2050 complete system can be had for very close to $3k cash - that may be instructive re used pricings.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 23:16

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 23:16
A few months ago I bought an EX demo NGTAR voice with a 9350 D series autotune for $2600 and got a slightly used one for my mate for the same price including postage and insurance. ($150)

Thought over $2k for a 9323 was a bit optimistic in light of those prices NGT takes up much less space as well.
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Saturday, Mar 22, 2008 at 09:42

Saturday, Mar 22, 2008 at 09:42
Agreed re those $ askings on the 9323's - some owners prefer the 9323 interface over the new fangled NGT it seems - maybe they think the buyers will too if the unit is in excellent order ?) .... when I bought my Barrett 950 about 4 years back ($1500 - seller was in a hurry - was in the Trading Post) I had decided that $1800 was the most I would pay for a good used one - above that I would have gone new (cash in Adelaide was about the $2950 mark then).... being new and having a 3 year warranty would have justified the extra in my view.
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Reply By: Member - Rod N (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 17:38

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 17:38
The Hf Radio Club is similar to VKS737 but a bit cheaper. They sell second hand Codans. About $2200 for set and tuneable antenna. See their site here HF Radio Club
Rod
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 18:23

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 18:23
Rod what frequencies does the HF club use for its sched's?
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 19:51

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 19:51
John
Don't think they have scheds. as such (ala VKS737)- however they have' chat' times. Will look thru my info & advise.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 19:56

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 19:56
Thanks mate.
Its not a case of leaving VKS which I would not consider but just curious as to who and what these guys do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rod N (QLD) - Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 20:31

Friday, Mar 21, 2008 at 20:31
John

HF Radio Club (VKE 237) skeds are
0830-0845 1815-1830 5135
0845-0915 1745-1815 7899
0915-0930 1730-1715 11487

West Aust (Albany) also has skeds at other times times.

The club is similar to VKS737 but is slightly more aligned with motorhome/caravan but includes all walks of life.

Rod
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Saturday, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:43

Saturday, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:43
Rod..
Are those times AEST, Qld time or whatever????

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Follow Up By: Member - Rod N (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 22, 2008 at 17:41

Saturday, Mar 22, 2008 at 17:41
Eastern Daylight Saving Time. ie those southerners time. Times will change end of Mar when EDST ends. I think we should all go to UTC (Zulu)
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